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After Big Bang Came Moment of Pure Chaos, Study Finds (order eventually came out of chaos?)
Space.com ^
| 10/05/2010
| Clara Moskowitz
Posted on 10/05/2010 10:58:20 AM PDT by WebFocus
Edited on 10/05/2010 11:13:13 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator.
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To: MrB
Entropy is a one way street to increasing disorder
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:25:45 AM PDT
by
jesseam
(Been there, done that)
To: who_would_fardels_bear
Order came out of a chaotic arrangement of specific particles with specific properties being acted upon by specific forces. The must've been some order existing already for those particles and forces to have existed in the first place.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:26:10 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: Prokopton
Did you see the thread yesterday where the “scientist” said it was a “100% certainty” that there was life on a “planet” whose characteristics have been determined by the “wobble” of the starlight coming from its sun?
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:26:21 AM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: Tucker39
Young man.....it’s turtles all the way down.
To: Tucker39
Life only comes from one source - other life.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:28:36 AM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(Even the earth is bipolar.)
To: WebFocus
"...the explosion that began the universe..."
Regardless of one's religious or scientific views, the author is completely wrong. No one in science regards the begining of the Universe as an explosion.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:30:06 AM PDT
by
frankenMonkey
(I can see November from my window...)
To: New Jersey Realist
That’s the “Problem Of Evil”...Much different discussion...
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:30:09 AM PDT
by
WAW
(Which enumerated power?)
To: jesseam
did I need a sarcasm tag?
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:30:47 AM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: WebFocus
Perhaps the words of Genesis ought to be a sufficient explanation “God said let their be light... and from the darkness there came light...”
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:31:21 AM PDT
by
The Great RJ
(The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
To: WAW; New Jersey Realist
Genesis 3 explains the existance of democRats.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:31:52 AM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: MrB
I mean, as long as I dont bother cleaning my house or office, things just magically order themselves
Eventually you get sick of seeing crap all over the place and dust everywhere. You then get off your butt and clean house, thus restoring order..........
The process then repeats itself........maybe two years later, as in my case.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:35:50 AM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(There's only one cure for Obamarrhea......)
To: MrB
Well, the mismatched socks will somehow find themselves on the bedroom floor next to the undies. The dishes always seem to migrate over by the kitchen sink, and the magazines are drawn to the bathroom. It just takes time.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:37:09 AM PDT
by
Hodar
(Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
To: jesseam
Wolfram proved that the threshold for complexity in this universe is very very low.
Even as things decay in enery, they continue to collide, interact and react and yes...form orderly patterns....And by things, Wolfram in particular, was not discussing particles, he was discussing systems including organisms and much higher organizations...like societies...everything from the patterns in the scales of fish to the distribution of cities and populations...
Perhaps this low threshold for complexity is what facilitates life...
Not an expert...just making conjecture. But to say blanketly that entropy is one way, ignores the interactions...
Besides, if the universe were such a simple system, I imagine all of the energy would have dissipated long ago...No, I suspect that there is more here than we can see or than we can understand.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:37:36 AM PDT
by
WAW
(Which enumerated power?)
To: WebFocus
Y'know, Nietzsche says: "Out of chaos comes order."
Oh, blow it out your a--, Howard.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:39:37 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Texas Rangers - AL West Champions)
To: Hot Tabasco
Not to elevate myself unnecessarily,
but, I do assert that it requires some “intelligence”
and directed energy expenditure
in order to “undo” the entropy.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:39:53 AM PDT
by
MrB
(The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
To: WebFocus
While one might expect the explosion that began the universe to wreak some havoc, scientists mean something very specific when they refer to chaos. In a chaotic system, small changes can cause large-scale effects. Why do I get the impression that most of the responders to this thread didn't read and comprehend the explanation above?
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:40:23 AM PDT
by
Moonman62
(Half of all Americans are above average.)
To: Prokopton
Iron clad? Scientists have become as arrogant as politicians. Thank you, Al "The Argument is Over" Gor, for destroying the last haven of reality and common sense.
To: WebFocus
I don’t believe that a butterfly beating its wing in Brazil can cause a tornado in Texas, when everyone knows that tornadoes in Texas are caused by George W. Bush.
To: WebFocus
That would be “controlled” chaos.
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:56:45 AM PDT
by
fish hawk
(there is only one God and he is not called Allah)
To: WebFocus
A commonly cited example is the "butterfly effect" the idea that a butterfly beating its wing in Brazil can bring about a tornado in Texas. It's not widely known but this axiom is the foundation of modern science.
ML/NJ (in Israel)
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posted on
10/05/2010 11:58:55 AM PDT
by
ml/nj
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