After Big Bang Came Moment of Pure Chaos, Study Finds (order eventually came out of chaos?)

Space.com ^ | 10/05/2010 | Clara Moskowitz

[WebFocus]

The universe was in chaos after the Big Bang kick-started the cosmos, a new study suggests.

While one might expect the explosion that began the universe to wreak some havoc, scientists mean something very specific when they refer to chaos. In a chaotic system, small changes can cause large-scale effects. A commonly cited example is the "butterfly effect"

[jesseam]

Entropy is a one way street to increasing disorder

[ShadowAce]

Order came out of a chaotic arrangement of specific particles with specific properties being acted upon by specific forces.

The must've been some order existing already for those particles and forces to have existed in the first place.

[MrB]

Did you see the thread yesterday where the “scientist” said it was a “100% certainty” that there was life on a “planet” whose characteristics have been determined by the “wobble” of the starlight coming from its sun?

[eddie willers]

Young man.....it’s turtles all the way down.

[BipolarBob]

Life only comes from one source - other life.

[frankenMonkey]

"...the explosion that began the universe..."

Regardless of one's religious or scientific views, the author is completely wrong. No one in science regards the begining of the Universe as an explosion.

[WAW]

That’s the “Problem Of Evil”...Much different discussion...

[MrB]

did I need a sarcasm tag?

[The Great RJ]

Perhaps the words of Genesis ought to be a sufficient explanation “God said let their be light... and from the darkness there came light...”

[MrB]

Genesis 3 explains the existance of democRats.

[Hot Tabasco]

I mean, as long as I don’t bother cleaning my house or office, things just magically order themselves

Eventually you get sick of seeing crap all over the place and dust everywhere. You then get off your butt and clean house, thus restoring order..........

The process then repeats itself........maybe two years later, as in my case.

[Hodar]

Well, the mismatched socks will somehow find themselves on the bedroom floor next to the undies. The dishes always seem to migrate over by the kitchen sink, and the magazines are drawn to the bathroom. It just takes time.

[WAW]

Wolfram proved that the threshold for complexity in this universe is very very low.

Even as things decay in enery, they continue to collide, interact and react and yes...form orderly patterns....And by things, Wolfram in particular, was not discussing particles, he was discussing systems including organisms and much higher organizations...like societies...everything from the patterns in the scales of fish to the distribution of cities and populations...

Perhaps this low threshold for complexity is what facilitates life...

Not an expert...just making conjecture. But to say blanketly that entropy is one way, ignores the interactions...

Besides, if the universe were such a simple system, I imagine all of the energy would have dissipated long ago...No, I suspect that there is more here than we can see or than we can understand.

[dfwgator]

Y'know, Nietzsche says: "Out of chaos comes order."

Oh, blow it out your a--, Howard.

[MrB]

Not to elevate myself unnecessarily,
but, I do assert that it requires some “intelligence”
and directed energy expenditure
in order to “undo” the entropy.

[Moonman62]

While one might expect the explosion that began the universe to wreak some havoc, scientists mean something very specific when they refer to chaos. In a chaotic system, small changes can cause large-scale effects.

Why do I get the impression that most of the responders to this thread didn't read and comprehend the explanation above?

[Calvin Locke]

Iron clad? Scientists have become as arrogant as politicians.

Thank you, Al "The Argument is Over" Gor, for destroying the last haven of reality and common sense.

[Verginius Rufus]

I don’t believe that a butterfly beating its wing in Brazil can cause a tornado in Texas, when everyone knows that tornadoes in Texas are caused by George W. Bush.

[fish hawk]

That would be “controlled” chaos.

[ml/nj]

A commonly cited example is the "butterfly effect" — the idea that a butterfly beating its wing in Brazil can bring about a tornado in Texas.

It's not widely known but this axiom is the foundation of modern science.

ML/NJ (in Israel)