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Child’s Ordeal Shows Risks of Psychosis Drugs for Young
NY Times ^ | Sept. 1, 2010

Posted on 09/02/2010 10:53:51 AM PDT by Wolfie

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To: nmh

I’m guessing the Doctor has been profiting nicely from this racket, and is booked up with money from Big Pharma.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 12:47:14 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: bgill

Don’t forget the nice disability check that also comes with a lot these diagnoses.


22 posted on 09/02/2010 12:54:05 PM PDT by AZHSer
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To: Wolfie
Yup!

They send doctors to Hawaii and places like that for “conferences” and all expenses are paid by the Phar..
“Mom” probably knows all the anti-active drugs out there by watching T.V. and helping the “doctor” diagnose what's wrong. It's too bad. Many doctors out there are glorified drug dealers. Since she is a SINGLE "mom" the government most likely pays for all of it. That means you and I get the bill so life is tranquil for HER.

23 posted on 09/02/2010 1:02:34 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

That probably is not the best answer. The mother should have put him in his room, and then appear to ignore him. A child ignored while having a tantrum will soon stop if no one is around giving him an audience. She should have put him in his room and monitored from a place he could not see her, just to make sure he isn’t hurting himself. They soon stop. That also in most cases, stops the behavior right away, if not within a few more episodes of tantrums where the same plan is followed. Kids do it for attention. No attention, no tantrums.


24 posted on 09/02/2010 1:05:39 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Marie

So true Marie. A friend has a daughter who had severe behaviors, and she discovered it was high fructose corn syrup that was the culprit.


25 posted on 09/02/2010 1:08:55 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: gidget7

That’s possible too ... but I believe in spanking. It seeds up self control and culivates respect for authority. I didn’t do the sit in the cornor or go to your room stuff. They told me later they thought it was silly! Yes, an honest kid will tell you! They told me fear of REAL punishment helped them grow up.

Often kids sent to their rooms, read, play games and don’t see it as punishment. It’s stupid.


26 posted on 09/02/2010 1:09:52 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

Classic quotes from the article:

Even the most reluctant prescribers encounter a marketing juggernaut that has made antipsychotics the nation’s top-selling class of drugs by revenue, $14.6 billion last year, with prominent promotions aimed at treating children. In the waiting room of Kyle’s original child psychiatrist, children played with Legos stamped with the word Risperdal, made by Johnson & Johnson. It has since lost its patent on the drug and stopped handing out the toys.

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“It’s a controversial diagnosis, I agree with that,” said Dr. Concepcion. “But if you will commit yourself in giving these children these medicines, you have to have a diagnosis that supports your treatment plan. You can’t just give a nondiagnosis and give them the atypical antipsychotic.”


27 posted on 09/02/2010 1:12:24 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: nmh
Yes, but this kid was 18 months old and it went on till he was six. 18 months is too young for a spanking, short of a single smack on the butt.

My son ONCE threw a tantrum in a store. He was 4 at the time, and had never done it before. He wanted a toy and I had said no. I simply, without saying a word, picked him up, squirming and kicking, and left the store without my purchases, put him in the car and home we went. I wasn't driving for very long when he said I'm sorry Mom, I won't do it again, can we go back? Of course I said no and explained why, which brought about some whimpering, but he never did that again. Ever.

28 posted on 09/02/2010 1:17:23 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Wolfie

It’s terrible what they are doing to kids.


29 posted on 09/02/2010 1:17:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh

My point was for the child to have his little fit in his room, and believe me they tire of it quickly when no one is watching and telling them to stop.


30 posted on 09/02/2010 1:19:11 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Marie

My daughter was dx with ADHD...turned out that her tonsils were too big and she suffered from sleep apnea.


31 posted on 09/02/2010 1:37:39 PM PDT by Chickensoup (There is a group of people who suck off the productive. They make rules then find infractions.)
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To: gidget7
“My point was for the child to have his little fit in his room, and believe me they tire of it quickly when no one is watching and telling them to stop.”

When you're at the mall that doesn't work out very well.

That was the first time I saw a tantrum. I thought something was wrong with her. She was alittle over two years old - the “terrible two”. I gathered her up and took her to the closest dressing room and spanked her.

From then on I was prepared. I carried my wooden spoon in my purse. If she hinted at acting out or started to, the little spoon would peek out of my shoulder bag. She stopped. She KNEW what that meant. She feared the punishment and started having respect for authority as well as developing self control.

This “old fashioned method” has worked for generations. It's tried and true. Many don't do it and kids lack self control. They laugh at adults with the “reason me silly” approach when they don't have the ability to reason. Since our culture has boohooed this, we have more out out control kids that have no regard for authority. I believe the two are directly linked.

There are some kids that have less of a rebellious spirit but they are few and far between. Even those kids will act out occasionally. It's the nature of kids to do that. Having said all this, I don't want the EXTREME to be interpreted. We didn't beat our kids silly. That's usually the defense people use against spanking! EXTREMES! THey always have to go to EXTREMES to vilify you as the parent. We ignored that. We also didn't let liberals undermine our confidence as parents to do what does work - SPANKING! We didn't warehouse them away in daycare either and chase the dollar and shower them with things because we weren't around. YOu see kids don't schedule their needs and emotions to fit your money chasing scehdule. We raised them ourselves instead of having someone else raise them.

It's been rewarding and we have a close family. I see the results of the humanistic punishment methods ... andit’s going to be a tough road for those parents ... especially when the kids are in their teens. Anyway ... I highly recommend old fashioned spanking.

I totally disagree with your approach. I do agree with letting them cry when they are babies and don't want to go to sleep in their OWN ROOM. Yes, they do that for attention. It's natural. Eventually they cry less ad finally KNOW it's bedtime and to SLEEP! However when it comes to actions like throwing fits etc., spanking works wonders!

32 posted on 09/02/2010 2:06:30 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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“Yes, but this kid was 18 months old and it went on till he was six. 18 months is too young for a spanking, short of a single smack on the butt.”

No it's not! When they're walking they can handle a smack on the hiney! GEESH! I'm not suggesting you BEAT the toddler!

“My son ONCE threw a tantrum in a store. He was 4 at the time, and had never done it before. He wanted a toy and I had said no. I simply, without saying a word, picked him up, squirming and kicking, and left the store without my purchases, put him in the car and home we went.”

Here we differ too. I will not let a CHILD determine my schedule like that. They will be disciplined in private somewhere in the store or if need be in the car for privacy and I will accomplish what I needed to do. I wouldn't embarrass myself like that. I'd rather THEY were embarrassed. It worked!

“I wasn't driving for very long when he said I'm sorry Mom, I won't do it again, can we go back? Of course I said no and explained why, which brought about some whimpering, but he never did that again. Ever.”

I'm glad things worked out for you.

I just don't let KIDS run me around. They know I mean what I say and follow through. I don't give idle threats. It worked for us without inconveniencing us too. We were very fortunate to have friends that are like minded with little ones at the time. They were incredible examples and we learned allot from them. The kids are turning out fine. Whereas other kids ... not so well ... they were the ones we AVOIDED. We didn't let our kids play with them. We were cordial to the "caregiver" or mom but that was about it. We didn't want their humanistic upbringing.

33 posted on 09/02/2010 2:33:14 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: gidget7

Well, I hope they didn’t stop the HFCS, and continued with the medication. That way ADM, Monsanto, Johnson and Johnson and all the rest can be happy.


34 posted on 09/02/2010 2:58:04 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Responsibility2nd

Just wanted to say if you read the article I am married to my children father. And unless you have dealt with this before don’t sit there and slam someone because they were misdirected by doctors......the only option I was given was medication until two years later I was told about early intervention.


35 posted on 09/02/2010 4:24:56 PM PDT by brandywm (Mother of Kyle)
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To: brandywm

Thanks for registering to reply.

I went back and re-read the article. And no. I see no mention of a father in Kyle’s life,

I’m happy to hear there is one. And I apologize for the impression that I was slamming you for the over medicated state that doctors had your son on.

My original purpose in commenting? It was not to “slam” you, but rather an overall indictment of children coming from single parent homes.

I’m sure you’re very aware of the psychological and emotional damage children face whenever they are raised in a broken home.

Oftentime heavy drugs are used to combat the outbursts and reactions of these children.

But that is not the case with you and Kyle. And again - thanks for setting the record straight. And God bless you and Kyle.


36 posted on 09/02/2010 4:36:13 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: Responsibility2nd; nmh; Wolfie; gidget7; donna; truthfreedom

See post 35


37 posted on 09/02/2010 4:39:40 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (PALIN/MCCAIN IN 2012 - barf alert? sarc tag? -- can't decide)
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To: nmh
One of my son's (in his 50’s now) use to like to throw temper tantrums. If I was sitting in the kitchen, he'd come and throw himself down on the floor and kick and scream...after about 2 minutes I'd get up and walk into the living room....he would get up and follow and throw the same tantrum....I'd get up and walk into the family room, he's follow and do the same thing...after a while he decided they didn't work and stopped having tantrums....easy fix...even a little laugh at his antic's made him madder....but he learned.... He was only about 3-4 at the time, not in his 50's..:O)
38 posted on 09/02/2010 4:42:14 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: nmh

The kinds of parents who don’t give a flying... and probably hopped up on the same “meds”.


39 posted on 09/02/2010 6:05:02 PM PDT by DreamingWest
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To: brandywm

My criticisms were solely directed at the psychiatrists, pharmaceutical industries, food industries. I would now throw in schools, as schools tend to like to medicate kids for acting up in class.


40 posted on 09/02/2010 6:11:12 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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