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GOP gains steam as health care bill sputters
Politico ^ | August 16, 2009 | Andy Barr

Posted on 08/18/2009 3:13:34 PM PDT by prairiebreeze

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But Republicans see a chance to claim a victory if the president signs a bill that does less than he'd asked for.

"A win for us is anything that improves the current situation without damaging the good things about our system," said Price, adding that any bill that does not include a public option, employer mandates and the rationing of care could be looked at as something of a success for his party.

Giuliani offered a narrower definition of a Republican win, telling POLITICO earlier this week that if the president signs any bill that does not include a public option, he would count it as a major loss for the administration.

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The town hall protests have undoubtedly breathed life into the GOP's opposition on health care. But while the leaders speaking at the GOPAC convention were drawing applause by calling for tort reform and the right to pool risk across state lines, the press narrative and the party base were turned into former Alaska GOP Gov. Sarah Palin's Facebook posts, where she railed against so-called "death panels" and White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel's brother.

The Republicans who spoke with POLITICO were loathe to criticize the protesters or Palin, but seemed to recognize that the party isn't so much leading a grass-roots movement as it is hitching itself to an emotional backlash against the Obama administration.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; gop; healthcare; palin; republicans; squishy
A disappointingly low definition of victory from Price and even lower from Giuliani. Palin IS the driving public force behind the opposition movement and the GOP better recognize her positions are what the people are identifying with.

(Page two of the article linked because excerpts were taken from there. Click on page one for entire piece)

1 posted on 08/18/2009 3:13:35 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: prairiebreeze
"Giuliani offered a narrower definition of a Republican win, telling POLITICO earlier this week that if the president signs any bill that does not include a public option, he would count it as a major loss for the administration."

No bill. Not in any way close to this one is the only acceptable form of success for the people of America. Rudy is a real first class putz.

Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform

I can't imagine another way out that will not draw us into the disastrous slippery slope that will be co-ops or "expanded medicaid" or other euphemisms...we need to privatize, make portable and drive down costs by opening a free market that means that the 3 companies selling insurance in MD would have to compete with the 46 in PA.

Performance based outcomes will propel the better providers to the top and the market will sort out the lesser programs. 25% of the "uninsured" are "the invincibles" (the 18-25 year olds) that feel no need to buy insurance...if they do not buy insurance they can contract with private fee for service firms that will compete and possibly make loans or give them credit for procedures.

The higher risk 50-65 uninsured (ineligible for medicare, but struggle with no coverage, low income, job loss or pre-existing conditions) get assigned to a "risk pool" that better performing insurers will ultimately compete for, because they are able compete for them at reduced rates, giving them good coverage and reasonable rates.

The elderly will be covered by medicare and the indigent will be treated pro-bono by participating hospitals. I would like to see THAT pool covered by University Hospitals, many of whom have billion dollar grants behind the universities and should make use of the interns and younger doctors to keep the indigent covered, much as many law firms do.

2 posted on 08/18/2009 3:19:52 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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To: prairiebreeze

Kill the bill. No compromise.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 3:21:38 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: prairiebreeze
Yeah, right.

And the GOP grew a set of balls too. NOT!

If Obama, the Dems, the RINOS and special interests are defeated, you can rest assured that it will not be because of the GOP!

“We The People!” We are the ones fighting them, not the GOP.

They're too busy hiding from town hall meetings and meeting with Dems to compromise our futures away!

Screw the GOP! They are going to have to demonstrate (repeatedly) to me that they “get it” before I invest any more time or money on any one of them!

4 posted on 08/18/2009 3:27:10 PM PDT by airborne (Don't let history record that, when faced with evil, you did nothing!)
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To: prairiebreeze

One thing that I’ve learned from the past two election cycles: the GOP is about the most worthless bunch of chair-warmers that I’ve seen in a very long time.

They have literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and again. They are not trustworthy as an organization, they have sold us all out.

Go Sarah, whichever way you choose, many of us will support you.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 3:32:00 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: brushcop
The Republicans who spoke with POLITICO were loathe to criticize the protesters or Palin, but seemed to recognize that the party isn't so much leading a grass-roots movement as it is hitching itself to an emotional backlash against the Obama administration.

To Republican politicians: lead or get out of the way.

6 posted on 08/18/2009 3:36:29 PM PDT by stripes1776 ("That if gold rust, what shall iron do?" --Chaucer)
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To: prairiebreeze

What the heck? Defeat the d@amn thing!!


7 posted on 08/18/2009 3:44:18 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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To: prairiebreeze
The Republicans who spoke with POLITICO were loathe to criticize the protesters or Palin, but seemed to recognize that the party isn't so much leading a grass-roots movement as it is hitching itself to an emotional backlash against the Obama administration.

Sounds like Politico. The left wing spin on the right wing's base.

8 posted on 08/18/2009 3:46:06 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: prairiebreeze

CONSERVATISM, NOT THE GOP, is gaining steam, and the “GOP leadership” is going to be overthrown and replaced with CONSERVATIVES.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 3:47:51 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: prairiebreeze

“GOP gains steam” They will likely blow up as they rarely put the generated steam to work.


10 posted on 08/18/2009 3:50:07 PM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: prairiebreeze

http://ednews.org/articles/obama-care-passed-in-stimulus-bill-more-treachery-in-sept-.html

“The first part of The Obama Health Care Plan was buried in The Stimulus Bill which was signed into law by the President in February. It is the second part of The Health Care Plan which is now being debated in Congress.”


11 posted on 08/18/2009 3:53:05 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: prairiebreeze

No she’s not. The American people (many conservatives) are the driving force. She’s an important spokeswoman but this began before she made a statement. I am a supporter, but I refuse to credit anyone other than the People for the primary role here and I think she’d agree.

As for the GOP, wow, someone realized they are just benefiting by default? Wasn’t sure they were even that self aware. To Kirk, I would state the Republicans have found no voice. You are simply trying to co-opt our own or at least the bits you find “civil”. That would be fine, if I didn’t believe the end you have in mind is a watered down bill which is still objectionable.

Victory is defined as the death of Government taking a role in healthcare. Nothing more, nothing less. Some Republicans need to be educated on that point.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 3:53:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: airborne

Well said and right on, Airborne!!!


13 posted on 08/18/2009 3:57:09 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: brushcop

Go to GOP.com and then democrats.org and compare and contrast.

Its is painfully obvious that the RNC is run by MORONS, whose strategy apparently is to hide in the tall grass and DO NOTHING except to continue to collect their perks and privileges, albeit in a slightly diminished fashion.

THE GOP IS PART OF THE PROBLEM.

14 posted on 08/18/2009 3:57:47 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: Rome2000; stripes1776

You both prove my point, drat it! Sometimes I wish it was just me railing at the wind but no, we’ve all experienced this desertion of our core values.

I see only one significant person in the ring and she’s not even a “candidate”, she’s a CITIZEN like we are and she wields a mighty sword obviously. It’s so great when she steps out and refutes lies with facts, examples and references, how LONG has it been since we’ve seen that??

God bless and protect you Sarah! Rise and a bunch of us will follow and support you, utilize us!!


15 posted on 08/18/2009 4:07:06 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: Rome2000

Agreed! Vote all incumbants out in 2010. Keep the heat on all the royals on both sides of the aisle.

GOP gaining steam?! Yeah, right. They’re huffing up to the tracks with with their bouncing pork-fed bellies lifting the silk shirts out of their $6K suit pants hoping to grab the hand rails on the caboose of the hi-balling train of a pissed off citizenry!

The GOP hasn’t come close to steam or warming the kettle up for a Tea Party!


16 posted on 08/18/2009 4:09:33 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: Voter62vb; brushcop
When the GOP meets to nominate a new Chairman in January 2011, we will be there to make sure a CONSERVATIVE WINS and RINOS are shown the door.

At the next CPAC in February 2010, we will be there to shout down once and for all RINOS like MYTH SLICK WILLARD FLIP ROMNEY and his fellow travelers like Colin Powell.

We, the CONSERVATIVES, must take over the GOP and defend the CONSTITUTION.

17 posted on 08/18/2009 4:16:39 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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To: prairiebreeze

And the ONLY reason the “GOP” is likely to be seen as winning this issue is because of conservatives turning out en masse in their districts to give the spineless congresscritters a piece of their minds—a move which the RINO faction of the GOP kept saying would turn into a backlash and get the damned thing passed.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 4:28:47 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: prairiebreeze
But Republicans see a chance to claim a victory if the president signs a bill that does less than he'd asked for.

Typical from the Republicrat party. Let the grassroots Conservatives do the work and then ride their coattails to glory. What a bunch of gutless wonders.
19 posted on 08/18/2009 4:30:30 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: prairiebreeze

Article 1 Section 8 lists all powers granted to Congress by the Constitution. Regulating health care is not expressly listed as a power. Health care legislation in any way, shape or form is unconstitutional. Discussion about such legislation needs to end immediately.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 4:34:57 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Man50D

I know I have seen a steady stream of Republican congresscritters standing up and making themselves known on where they stand on health care. NOT!!!! dripping sarcasm

In fact I haven’t seen many of them say much of anything, anyplace or anywhere the last 6 months. Whipped, timid dogs afraid bark or even whimper. Absolutely a total vacum of leadership.

What a wasted bunch of jerks ... fire them all and replace them with warm bodies with IQ’s of a least 50. That is ten times better than what we have now.


21 posted on 08/18/2009 4:41:39 PM PDT by HiramQuick (work harder ... welfare recipients depend on you!)
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To: prairiebreeze

I wish I’d see someone from the GOP push their health care plan, every single day on TV.

I think it’s an excellent plan and the only one that WILL bring costs down.

And when the CBO scored it, it covered more people than theirs and didn’t cost any more than we spend now!


22 posted on 08/18/2009 4:57:45 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: prairiebreeze

GOP desperately trying to grab the coattails of a Conservative Grass Roots.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 5:05:26 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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To: prairiebreeze

The negative aspect of this whole potential victory is the idea that those Republicrats can claim ANY CREDIT for what we did, screw those liberal wanna be’s.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 5:33:16 PM PDT by nomad
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To: nomad

Please go over and vote in a NY Daily News poll on a one-on-one matchup between Obama and Palin:

http://nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/18/2009-08-


25 posted on 08/18/2009 5:46:08 PM PDT by techno
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To: techno

Sorry should be:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/18/2009-08-


26 posted on 08/18/2009 5:50:20 PM PDT by techno
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To: Soul Seeker

I said she’s the driving public force. I agree it’s the grassroots that is most important, but I meant that Sarah is the face on that.


27 posted on 08/18/2009 5:50:58 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: Soul Seeker

I think Sarah has been an inspiration to the people. Because if a hockey mom pta member can stand up and confront the corruption in government and the full force of hatred from the national media then anyone can stand up. Of course she didn’t lead this particular movement, but she opened people’s eyes to the fact that you don’t have to be a lawyer or have a political science degree to let your voice be heard. Sarah’s courage has inspired courage.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 6:09:41 PM PDT by carmody
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To: prairiebreeze

>> Palin IS the driving public force behind the opposition movement

Hold on there. Palin is certainly out in front and she’s wonderful, but what about DeMint, and the other million Americans who’ve stepped up on their own?

Yeah, the GOP is riding the wake as far as I’m concerned.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 6:20:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: Gene Eric

Yeah, yeah. Great for DeMint. But I’d wager that not nearly as many people are aware of his efforts as they are of Palin’s stances. (what other republicans are going public and vocal on this btw, I can’t name any frankly)


30 posted on 08/19/2009 6:29:43 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.)
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To: prairiebreeze
GOP gains steam as health care bill sputters

GOP my ass. Conservatives and other concerned citizens are leading the charge but the GOP is a joke.

31 posted on 08/19/2009 6:31:56 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Yep. Pretty much...


32 posted on 08/19/2009 12:56:34 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (Barack Obama: Worst. President. Ever.)
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