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A disappointingly low definition of victory from Price and even lower from Giuliani. Palin IS the driving public force behind the opposition movement and the GOP better recognize her positions are what the people are identifying with.

(Page two of the article linked because excerpts were taken from there. Click on page one for entire piece)

1 posted on 08/18/2009 3:13:35 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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"Giuliani offered a narrower definition of a Republican win, telling POLITICO earlier this week that if the president signs any bill that does not include a public option, he would count it as a major loss for the administration."

No bill. Not in any way close to this one is the only acceptable form of success for the people of America. Rudy is a real first class putz.

Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform

I can't imagine another way out that will not draw us into the disastrous slippery slope that will be co-ops or "expanded medicaid" or other euphemisms...we need to privatize, make portable and drive down costs by opening a free market that means that the 3 companies selling insurance in MD would have to compete with the 46 in PA.

Performance based outcomes will propel the better providers to the top and the market will sort out the lesser programs. 25% of the "uninsured" are "the invincibles" (the 18-25 year olds) that feel no need to buy insurance...if they do not buy insurance they can contract with private fee for service firms that will compete and possibly make loans or give them credit for procedures.

The higher risk 50-65 uninsured (ineligible for medicare, but struggle with no coverage, low income, job loss or pre-existing conditions) get assigned to a "risk pool" that better performing insurers will ultimately compete for, because they are able compete for them at reduced rates, giving them good coverage and reasonable rates.

The elderly will be covered by medicare and the indigent will be treated pro-bono by participating hospitals. I would like to see THAT pool covered by University Hospitals, many of whom have billion dollar grants behind the universities and should make use of the interns and younger doctors to keep the indigent covered, much as many law firms do.

2 posted on 08/18/2009 3:19:52 PM PDT by jessduntno (Privatization + Inter-State Sales + Individual Policies + Tort Reform = Healthcare Reform)
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Kill the bill. No compromise.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 3:21:38 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: prairiebreeze
Yeah, right.

And the GOP grew a set of balls too. NOT!

If Obama, the Dems, the RINOS and special interests are defeated, you can rest assured that it will not be because of the GOP!

“We The People!” We are the ones fighting them, not the GOP.

They're too busy hiding from town hall meetings and meeting with Dems to compromise our futures away!

Screw the GOP! They are going to have to demonstrate (repeatedly) to me that they “get it” before I invest any more time or money on any one of them!

4 posted on 08/18/2009 3:27:10 PM PDT by airborne (Don't let history record that, when faced with evil, you did nothing!)
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One thing that I’ve learned from the past two election cycles: the GOP is about the most worthless bunch of chair-warmers that I’ve seen in a very long time.

They have literally snatched defeat from the jaws of victory time and again. They are not trustworthy as an organization, they have sold us all out.

Go Sarah, whichever way you choose, many of us will support you.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 3:32:00 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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What the heck? Defeat the d@amn thing!!


7 posted on 08/18/2009 3:44:18 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Be prepared for tough times. FReepmail me to learn about our survival thread!)
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The Republicans who spoke with POLITICO were loathe to criticize the protesters or Palin, but seemed to recognize that the party isn't so much leading a grass-roots movement as it is hitching itself to an emotional backlash against the Obama administration.

Sounds like Politico. The left wing spin on the right wing's base.

8 posted on 08/18/2009 3:46:06 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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CONSERVATISM, NOT THE GOP, is gaining steam, and the “GOP leadership” is going to be overthrown and replaced with CONSERVATIVES.


9 posted on 08/18/2009 3:47:51 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Hussein Baraka Mook Kebba)
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“GOP gains steam” They will likely blow up as they rarely put the generated steam to work.


10 posted on 08/18/2009 3:50:07 PM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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http://ednews.org/articles/obama-care-passed-in-stimulus-bill-more-treachery-in-sept-.html

“The first part of The Obama Health Care Plan was buried in The Stimulus Bill which was signed into law by the President in February. It is the second part of The Health Care Plan which is now being debated in Congress.”


11 posted on 08/18/2009 3:53:05 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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No she’s not. The American people (many conservatives) are the driving force. She’s an important spokeswoman but this began before she made a statement. I am a supporter, but I refuse to credit anyone other than the People for the primary role here and I think she’d agree.

As for the GOP, wow, someone realized they are just benefiting by default? Wasn’t sure they were even that self aware. To Kirk, I would state the Republicans have found no voice. You are simply trying to co-opt our own or at least the bits you find “civil”. That would be fine, if I didn’t believe the end you have in mind is a watered down bill which is still objectionable.

Victory is defined as the death of Government taking a role in healthcare. Nothing more, nothing less. Some Republicans need to be educated on that point.


12 posted on 08/18/2009 3:53:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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And the ONLY reason the “GOP” is likely to be seen as winning this issue is because of conservatives turning out en masse in their districts to give the spineless congresscritters a piece of their minds—a move which the RINO faction of the GOP kept saying would turn into a backlash and get the damned thing passed.


18 posted on 08/18/2009 4:28:47 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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But Republicans see a chance to claim a victory if the president signs a bill that does less than he'd asked for.

Typical from the Republicrat party. Let the grassroots Conservatives do the work and then ride their coattails to glory. What a bunch of gutless wonders.
19 posted on 08/18/2009 4:30:30 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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Article 1 Section 8 lists all powers granted to Congress by the Constitution. Regulating health care is not expressly listed as a power. Health care legislation in any way, shape or form is unconstitutional. Discussion about such legislation needs to end immediately.


20 posted on 08/18/2009 4:34:57 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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I wish I’d see someone from the GOP push their health care plan, every single day on TV.

I think it’s an excellent plan and the only one that WILL bring costs down.

And when the CBO scored it, it covered more people than theirs and didn’t cost any more than we spend now!


22 posted on 08/18/2009 4:57:45 PM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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GOP desperately trying to grab the coattails of a Conservative Grass Roots.


23 posted on 08/18/2009 5:05:26 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (UPS and FEDEX are doing fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems. - 0bummer)
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The negative aspect of this whole potential victory is the idea that those Republicrats can claim ANY CREDIT for what we did, screw those liberal wanna be’s.


24 posted on 08/18/2009 5:33:16 PM PDT by nomad
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>> Palin IS the driving public force behind the opposition movement

Hold on there. Palin is certainly out in front and she’s wonderful, but what about DeMint, and the other million Americans who’ve stepped up on their own?

Yeah, the GOP is riding the wake as far as I’m concerned.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 6:20:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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GOP gains steam as health care bill sputters

GOP my ass. Conservatives and other concerned citizens are leading the charge but the GOP is a joke.

31 posted on 08/19/2009 6:31:56 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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