Posted on 08/02/2009 12:58:22 PM PDT by BP2
My first take is that the dates DO match up for 1964 events surrounding the Obama's 1964 divorce.
Here we go:
Ann filed for Divorce Jan. 20, 1964 (Inauguration Day – what are the odds?), and the date was set by the presiding judge for the trial to commence 30 days after Obama SR would have responded to his notification, sent to Cambridge, Mass (Cambridge – what are the odds? ).
Judge Samuel P. King who granted the divorce – last I heard was retired and alive (for now) in his 90s in Hawaii -- MAY or MAY NOT have asked to see the Marriage Certificate. BUT, I bet Judge King asked to see Obama JR's Birth Certificate to confirm Ann's claims that Obama SR was in fact the father. That is “standard” policy to have a Birth Certificate in case the mother asks for child support from the father (or Welfare) later after the divorce. Judge King probably told Ann to produce a birth certificate before or at trial, which would have been sometime in mid- to late-February 1964 HAD Obama SR answered his notice that was sent to Cambridge.
When Judge King wrote the order on Jan. 23, he had his clerk notify Obama SR via what's referred to as a "knock and nail". That is, the postman leaves the notification on the door for (generally) 10 days and retrieves it after that time passes -- signed or unsigned. That order was sent on Jan. 23 via airmail from Hawaii and was probably posted on Obama SR's door Jan. 27-28.
Obama SR's notification was unsigned by him and apparently IGNORED -- either he didn't want to accept it OR he was NOT at that location.
However, Judge King granted the divorce to Ann Obama (which changed back to Ann Dunham) exactly 60 days from when the original order was request by Ann by default.
NOW, my guess is that Judge King asked to see Obama JR’s Birth Certificate before he'd be willing to grant the divorce, either at trial or by default on March 20, 1964. Ann probably didn’t have the birth certificate when she filed on Jan 20. That's when this birth certificate would have been generated -- before trial for the 1964 divorce.
Important side note: the Certificate issue date of Feb 17, 1964, is JUST A FEW SHORT MONTHS AFTER KENYA BECAME INDEPENDENT on Dec. 12, 1963. TO THIS DATE, this may be the only certificate on Kenyan file today if British documents were sent to the UK for archiving leading up Kenya becoming an independent nation.
If you note the date on the Certified Copy, it was created by the Registrar in Kenya on Feb. 17, 1964. The Kenyan Birth Certificate would have been issued in the midst of the divorce -- AFTER the divorce was filed by Ann in Hawaii on Jan. 20, but BEFORE the divorce was granted by Judge King on March 20.
Furthermore, it's quite plausible that once Ann actually had this Kenyan birth certificate in her hands, and the divorce was granted on March 20, her attorney, George Kerr, counseled her on Hawaiian birth certificate "loopholes" and told her how to file for a Hawaiian "Certificate of Delayed Birth" to get Welfare or OTHER support for young Obama as a child of a non-supporting foreign national.
As Hawaiian law allows, that CODB could have been "converted" later to a “Certificate of Live Birth” (long birth certificate) in the 60s or 70s, which would then be a "root document" of the famed “Certification of Live Birth” (short birth certificate on "Fight the Smears") we see today presented as "proof" of birth of Barack Hussein Obama II, reportedly in Hawaii (note: the abstract “Certification of Live Birth” certificate did not exist in Hawaii until November 2001).
I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of the Kenyan birth certificate itself, not knowing how or from whom Orly obtained the birth certificate (the chain of evidence). It may have been obtained quite surreptitiously from the only filed Kenyan birth certificate record copy requested -- likely generated from the 1964 divorce.
It's QUITE possible that all other copies of this Kenyan birth certificate may have been scrubbed from Kenyan archives, but this one may have survived in a lone Vital Statistics office somewhere in Kenya not known about until now.
This was not to be. Then acting Prime Minister, Mzee Jomo Kenyatta, the British government and the Sultan of Zanzibar declined to grant the strip autonomy.
In a letter dated October 5, 1963, Kenyatta bound his government to some undertaking in recognition of the coastal strip.
“I have the honour to refer to the discussions held between our respective governments on the subject of the coastal strip and to place on record the following undertakings by the Government of Kenya,” reads the letter to the prime minister of Zanzibar.
His note further reads: “The free hold titles to land in Coast region that are already registered will at all times be recognised. Steps will be taken to ensure the continuation procedure for the registration of new free hold titles and the rights of free holders will at all times be preserved”.
The letter was used as a legal instrument binding the Government to respect the status quo of land prior to independence.
As revealed by a report prepared by Robertson dated November 23, 1961, some people were advocating for an independent Coastal State before independence: “I recommend that if any system of regional or county administration is set up in Kenya, the Coast Province of Kenya should be one of the counties.”
In 1964, Kenyatta used his office to send signals to the international community that Kenya might renege on some commitments made before independence.
In his note reference “EXT 237/003A of March 25, 1964”, addressed to the Secretary General of the United Nations, Kenyatta informed the United Nations of his Government’s intention to review all pre-independence treaties and agreements and determine which of the pacts would be honoured, abrogated or modified after appropriate notice to interested parties.
Tracing the historical perspective of the land issue, the former CKRC commissioner, writes: “In 1895, the Sultan gave the British power to administer the ten-mile coastal strip subject to their respecting the existing Kadhi’s Courts, among other conditions. The British did so and declared a protectorate over the Coast while the rest of Kenya was a colony proper. The Sultan, however, retained sovereignty over the ten-mile Coastal Strip. During the last years of the independence struggle and at the start of the Lancaster House Constitutional talks in 1961, the status and fate of the coastal strip came up for determination.”
Why would they release it now, until they had proof of it being authentic
Since a child was an issue in the divorce proceedings, it is quite likely that a certificate was required to verify that fact. If that is the case, a copy of the certificate should have been made a part of the official file and should still be available. Since divorce records are public information, a request for the full file, including all supporting documents, might be very interesting. (That is a possible source of the document now at issue.)
Would it not be poetic justice to see one whose national political accent began with release of an opponent’s divorce records brought down by his mother’s divorce records?
Here’s the WND thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306503/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2306540/posts [dup that was locked]
The issue is, that ultimately this thing needs to be produced physically for 3rd party profession examination...just like Obama's alleged Hawaiin Long Form needs to.
However as I see it, there's still a few hurdles to overcome. They are:
I'm no legal expert by a long shot, but if there's any room for "doubt" left in your theory I think it's these two spots. Assuming one or both can be nailed as true, it appears that there's a hell of a case to be made that Obama's not a legitimate President.
Way to go!
My friend has a Keitt mango tree still producing. I’ve seen sites bragging that mango is the most widely eaten fruit in the world
Correction:
Somehow your theory that Dunham and her attorney George Kerr obtained a DELAYED Certificate of Live Birth then had it converted to a COLB needs to be validated. Whether Kerr can do that (if he’s still alive) or there are artifacts left in the Hawaiian records that would show it happening, this part of the theory needs to be ‘tightened up.’
I'm not sure there is a reason to the color, other than it reflects the orange wavelength of visible light.
Twern't me. That's for sure.
I'm not Not Sure.
I have my doubts as to its authenticity only because of the fonts that are used on the form, they look too modern to me for the time it was issued.
This document though looks just as authentic if not more so than the one that is being touted by the left as the real deal from Hawaii so the net effect of this illustrates that the Hawaiian certificate cannot be accepted as being the end of us birthers and absolute proof of zer0's eligibility status
If this does indeed turn out to be a fraud it certainly has served the purpose to hopefully bring more attention to the matter and why it is absolutely necessary for zer0 to come clean with the long form
If it is indeed real, well then things are going to get really interesting very fast
CIA anyone?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7176683.stm
Odinga says Obama is his cousin
http://www.answers.com/topic/ajuma-jaramogi-oginga-odinga
Kenya gained independence in December 1963, and Kenyatta, a member of the Kikuyu, Kenya’s largest ethnic group, became president. Odinga, a leader of the second largest ethnic group, the Luo, was appointed minister for home affairs in 1963, and in 1964 he became vice-president. Kenya became a de facto one-party state that year when KADU merged with KANU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaramogi_Oginga_Odinga
In 1960, together with Tom Mboya he formed Kenya African National Union (KANU). When Kenya became an independent Republic in 1964, he was its first Vice-President.
http://www.janda.org/ICPP/ICPP2000/Countries/9-CentralEastAfrica/96-Kenya/96-Kenya63-00.htm
In 1959 Mboya organized the Airlift Africa project, together with the African-American Students Foundation in the United States, through which 81 Kenyan students were flown to the U.S. to study at U.S. universities. One of them was Barack Obama’s father
http://www.answers.com/topic/thomas-joseph-mboya#cite_note-0
In 1959 Mboya organized the Airlift Africa project, together with the African-American Students Foundation in the United States, through which 81 Kenyan students were flown to the U.S. to study at U.S. universities. One of them was Barack Obama’s father. In 1960 the Kennedy brothers joined this project, after Mboya visited them for that purpose, and Airlift Africa was extended to Uganda, Tanganyika and Zanzibar (now Tanzania), Northern Rhodesia (now Zambia), Southern Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), and Nyasaland (now Malawi). Some 230 African students received scholarships to study at Class I accredited colleges in the United States. [3]
(snip)
After Kenya’s independence in 1963, Mboya was elected as an MP for Nairobi Central Constituency (today: Kamukunji Constituency)[4] and became Minister of Justice and Constitutional Affairs, and later Minister for Economic Planning and Development.
(snip)
Mboya’s role in Kenya’s politics and transformation is the subject of increasing interest, especially with the coming into scene of American politician Barack Obama, Jr. Obama’s father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a US-educated Kenyan who benefited from Mboya’s scholarship programme in the 60’s, and married during his stay there, siring the Illinois Senator and President. Obama Sr. had seen Mboya shortly before the assassination, and testified at the ensuing trial. Obama Sr. believed he was later targeted in a hit-and-run incident as a result of this testimony.[8]
http://www.david-kilgour.com/2008/May_26_2008_05.htm
Tug of War
Courtesy Time Magazine Dec. 14, 1959
Smart to get the divorce, anyway, so that Ann could not have been charged with bigamy.
I understand your point, but I have a hard time believing that any attorney would ever advise NOT to file for divorce based on the first marriage not being valid.
I remember your mango post (or email) to me sometime ago. Had to ask.............. mango smoothies, yum, grilled mango, mango salsa
I know this is great news....it does look like the
fabric from another country...
January 20th, 1964 is INAUGURATION DAY!!!!
went on the “exploringkenya.com (flag image) there is a blurb about the flag.
It states: “Facts about Kenya
Kenya’s abundant resources, wildlife, Cultural Diversity and relative political stability have helped establish Kenya as model of an African country in the Western mind. Republic of Kenya 1963.”
Not that this means anything.
Ive been saying that since this morning. The left will float dozens of these “documents” before the year is out. It makes us look like idiots every time people start drooling that we HAVE THE PROOF , THIS IS THE BIG ONE.!
I doubt that at this point anyone will ever find the definitive proof that Marxist Obama is not eligible to be president
( outside of the fact that he’s a Marxist bastard )
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