Posted on 07/26/2009 7:20:56 PM PDT by kellynla
Editors Note: In December ‘08 a retired CIA officer commissioned an investigator to look into the Barack Obama birth certificate and eligibility issue. On July 21, 2009 westernjournalism.com obtained a copy of the investigator’s report. Here is an unedited version of the report.
The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
I think that I now understand the legal background to the question of where Obama was born.
Let’s begin with the statement that Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health released on October 31, 2008. The television and print media used this statement as a reason to prevent and treat with contempt any investigation into whether Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii. But the language of the statement was so carefully hedged and guarded that it should have had the opposite effect.
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record. Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
It is understandable that after such an apparently definitive statement most news outlets, whether conservative or liberal, would accept this as sufficient grounds to relegate the controversy to the status of a fringe phenomenon. Unless they happened to take the trouble to look into the “state policies and procedures” as laid down by the relevant statutes. If they had done so, they would have seen that Dr. Fukino’s press release was carefully hedged and “lawyered” and practically worthless. But the media in general should not be faulted. The statement seems to roll out with such bureaucratic certainty and final authority. I believed it to be significant until a Honolulu attorney mailed me the relevant statutes. I was so surprised that I laughed out loud.
So now I’m imaging a statement from the governor of Hawaii: “As I announced months ago, I have placed Mr. Obama’s birth certificate under seal. And what I meant by that is that I ordered it to be destroyed. This is old news. Let’s move along, shall we?”
QUESTION: How can the OBAMA birth certificate said to have been officially “destroyed” in 2001 by the State of Hawaii — be later “examined” in 2008 by the Hawaii Health Dept and found to be valid?
State of Hawaii official Statement in October 2008
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
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CNN President John Klein had asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
No proof? Then he can't be "verified" to be a natural born citizen and therefore his presidency is invalid! No?
Obama Signs Executive Order Barring Release Of His Birth Certificate
http://www.infowars.com/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/
If it was destroyed, it would be in violation of the law.
However, considering what we have for a president, nothing can be beyond belief.
God save America.
I have several certified copies of my original birth certificate. Have had them for years. I find it very hard to believe that no matter what might have happened to Hawaii’s original copy, that BO doesn’t have copies of his own that he could produce.
Exactly! You want the kid to have US citizenship? Mail it in!
Ping Ron - You’re mentioned in the article rferred to here.
So now if my ever so suspicious mind is correct we have the following situation:
1. Obama is NOT a legal American citizen and never has been.
2. He used a stolen Social Security number when he was in Harvard and maybe before that belonged to a dead CT man who would now be 119 years old.
3. There are now 2 suspicious deaths associated with keeping his background secret.. the one associated with Larry Sinclair, and the young man killed who was going to testify regarding Obama’s operatives “sanitizing” his passport information out of State Department computers.
So laugh now.. but then a lot of people thought the BC issue would never get legs...and it keeps hanging on. The fake SS card issue will eventually catch some wind... and this report made public and financed by a PATRIOT retired CIA man could be just the thing that will get the Obamanazi kicked out of the White House and send the Dumbocrats scurrying for cover like the rats they are!
And those reporters and editors who were not in the tank for Obama had to be deceived. After Labor Day the swing voters would begin to pay attention to the Presidential campaign.
The truth had to be killed. And with its lie about “how it examined and photographed the original birth certificate“, FactCheck.org killed it.)
I'm not sure the birth cert would come within the meaning of "presidential record." I would think such records refer to papers having to do with his work while in office.
But ya'd have to ask a lawyer. Me just a dumb observer of this thing called gummint.
In 1961, the year that Barack Obama was born, under Sec. 301 (a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Ann Dunham could not transmit citizenship of any kind to Barack Obama.
The Gov of Hawaii campaigned for Palin, and in a speech in Colorado was the one who nicknamed “O” ZERO, as in empty suit. She has not interfered with the vital records at the capital nor had anything done to prevent BC from being released, as she must be careful not to do so by law.
It is in her interest to get to truth as well, and not jeapordize any lawsuits over BC in process.
FactCheck.org was started with funds from Annanberg?? Trust, which was handled by Ayers and Obama was it not?
That’s like asking the Black panthers to validate Farrakhan, if I got right org. that started or funded it.
I got through half the article, when I became convinced that:
as Hawaii had a legal process to certify numerous types of births either witnessed within Hawaii, or stamped approved based on all sorts of other scenerios, it would appear to me that had Dunham applied for a birth certificate under Hawaii laws, regardless of where Zer0 was lying in his manger at birth;
Hawaii would have declared him an American citizen, given full rights as a citizen at birth, and therefore as a citizen “with birth record in the US,” he probably has rights to call himself a “natural born citizen”.
Maybe my last paragraph summarizes what $1 mil in legal fees that Zer0 (actually Zer0’s campaign funds) have spent to convince the unwashed that this Socialist poseur is qualified to be president.
Disgusting!
Maybe the pig Sotomeier could explain her yes vote in more legalistic terminology.
Let me address two and three:
2. His mother filed his birth immediately after return from Kenya, and there is birth certificate on file in Hawaii, which qualifies him for Social Security number...although he may not be a natural citizen.
3. United States citizens may hold dual citizenship and dual passports.
The Annenberg Foundation, created many years ago by wealthy publisher and conservative, Walter Annenberg, is huge and has many arms and legs.
Ayers/Obama were involved with the Annenberg Educational Challenge ... different from the Annenberg umbrella site, factcheck.org.
Over the years, the management of Annenberg’s foundations and trusts has evolved and been run by anything but conservatives.
wow
Lt. Quarles Harris’s co-conspirator worked at the US State Dept. Harris was murdered. Fast forward: The credit card scam may be a ruse (in why he was killed.) One could conclude that Obama’s breached passport records were likely CAUTERIZED of any and all incriminating evidence, that proved conclusively that he is ineligible to hold the highest office in the land.
The credit card scam may be the cover (deflection of motive.) Harris may be a dupe on the order of Lee Harvey Oswald (as hypothesized by conspiracists.) Note: I take no position on such conspiracy in this post. One could make the leap that Harris was a small time fry caught up in something way over his head.
John O Brennan (25 years in the CIA) is the owner of the company that was contracted out to do work for the State Dept., with specificity to passports. An employee of his assisted in the breach of passport records. Brennan is an assistant, or was an assistant to Obama. Harris worked with somebody on the inside. Did Harris know too much and therefore had to be taken out? Lots of coincidences that make you go hmmm.
Here’s a link to the EO. It doesn’t directly reference -11nobama’s BC or college records. It’s kinda legalese. Hard to understand.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13489
That’s a great article.
Isn’t the first rule of whistle-blowing: make lots of copies and have MULTIPLE “in the event of my death...” instructions?
FYI: here’s Brennan’s company name: The Analysis Corp.
Search- Lt. Quarles Harris, John O. Brennan, and The Analysis Corp. for further enlightenment.
I’m just getting up to speed myself. Very intriguing, and very disturbing. There’s a whiff of something very foul in the air about it all.
I’d like to know more details about the murder of Harris. Was it a ‘professional’ hit? No trace of any clues? Shell casings policed up or captured as they were ejected? Something on that order...
ping
Lieutenant was his NAME, not any rank.
BTY, it appears that there is no federal statute as to what the states must use to declare a person “born within their state.” Thus, this issue is probably legally residing within the state law.
Therefore, the @#$%ed up laws of 1961 Hawaii trump Federal law, and Zer0 could claim to be a citizen.
Has anyone even followed up on the angle that if Stanley Ann Dunham was just 17 when Obama was born, then his dad was a statutory rapist?
I cannot believe that the State of Hawaii would destroy paper records without first committing them to digital media of some sort; images on disc, at least. In fact, if the records were destroyed in 2001, how did State officials examine the BC in 2008?
Sorry, not buyin’ this bill of goods...
He ineligible to hold the office (and the prior one, most likely), and is perpetrating a fraud of the highest order on the American people.
Don’t know what the laws in HI were,
so it’s possible .. and also a bigamist,
but then no marriage license for the
Obamas has been found to my knowledge.
~~PING!
The Annenberg project known as FactCheck.org came from funds donated to a Pennsylvania University (education), which was donated by The Annenberg Foundation. It also credits Annennberg on the website under title:
http://www.factcheck.org/
I had read that info a year ago, but it took awhile to remember it. It was a blip of almost no size on Fox, and at time I checked it out....if we don’t document things now they will disappear. I’ll try to find where I read that info about the donations.
One would have to go to the capital of Hawaii, and view vital records films (and no doubt they are sealed for that year) to find it...if it exists. Some states do not allow anyone to view digital media on vital statistics. Certified copies are supplied only to person or family members.
“anyone even followed up on the angle that if Stanley Ann Dunham was just 17 when Obama was born”
I “thought” she was born 11/29/1942?
Absolutely .. factcheck.org is under the umbrella of the
Annenberg Foundation.
I always thought his last visit to his ailing grandmother was to silence her before she got conscience at the end and said something damaging about him to someone. I know it sounds silly.
With this marxist, that’s the
last adjective I’d use.
Maybe we could get Dan Quale to weigh-in and say that 0bama is not a natural born citizen. That would really send the MSM into a tizzy. Talk about a hot potatoe!
OK eyes are glossing over on this subject. I do not care if the original was destroyed (DOUBTFUL); Mr. OBAMA must have submitted a “RAISED SEAL” copy to many of the institutions and or passport agencies or other official entities that requires such documentation. If Obama had a passport from a Country other than the US, such as Indonesia, Kenya or whatever, they have DIFFERENT PRIVACY LAWS than the US. Someone should ask whatever country it is they think Obama had obtained an official passport for the submitted documentation.
Best explantion of what is, I have read.
Lt Quarles Harris was ALLEDGEDLY involved in a credit card scam, reaping passport information from the State Dept. with the help of an insider, yet to be identified. The scam may have been a ruse (UNKNOWN to Harris) to provide cover for the PRIMARY mission of breaching Obama’s passport, specifically, so that an actor could cauterize said records. If so, breaching Clinton's and McCain's records provided additional (cover up) insurance. This has CIA (type) craftsmanship written all over it.
Harris may have been in it up to his eyeballs, and the credit card scam was a side job opportunity for a greedy and stupid Harris, or, Harris was unwittingly led into the role he had, so he could be used unwittingly as the fall guy, or, Harris pissed somebody off for any number of unrelated reasons and got a bullet, or, a bad actor happened on Harris in the mean streets of DC, or, it's all just a coincidinky.
I'd like to hear the talk that's got to be going on in the greater DC detective's locker rooms right about now. ;o)
The quote’s words “on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” reveal that there is no paper document anymore.
It’s how they speak in the government — all government.
“(Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record”
As if we the people don’t have a tangible interest?
‘On record’ is the buzz words alright. Jumped out at me on first read.
That is, the words “original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures” doesn’t mean they have a paper document or had one at the time the statement was made. They think of the electronic “record” they have now as being the legal equivalent of the “original birth certificate.” And they may or may not have verified the information on the COLB Obama posted on the Web. They don’t actually say they did so.
‘are’ the buzz words.
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