Posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:30 PM PDT by bgill
Ok, sticking my neck out but here's an angle no one seems to be picking up on about the COLB. The supposed COLB clearly shows (bottom left hand corner) it was printed on a November 2001 form.
I was adopted. A child of ours is adopted. I worked in a county clerk’s office and registered births, and worked on parental relinquishment/adoption cases through CPS, and I do family genealogy. That said, here's my two cents.
Hussein claims he was adopted by Soetoro in the 60's. That means papa Obama relinquished his parental rights. When an adoption order comes into the clerk’s office, all mention of the biological parent is deleted from the records and the adoptive parent’s name replaces it. In other words, any real BC after the adoption date would have Soetoro listed as the father, NOT Obama.
Take that one step further. Unless he formally petitioned the court for a legal name change or if it was stated in the parents' divorce, every time he signs "Obama" he is (imo) committing a crime with potential jail time. You and I can not willy nilly sign any name we wish and neither can he. That would mean any college papers, selective service, driver's license, passport, marriage license, home mortgage, voter's registration, and anything he's signed as Congressman and POTUS is not legal (imo).
Well..., here’s another opinion...
A Presidential candidate has never been required to show a birth certificate and they have (in the past) only had to affirm that they were qualified (per the Constitution) by signing legal paperwork to that effect in each state.
And the fact of the matter is that this is exactly what Obama did, which is — to sign legal paperwork in which he says he is qualified to run for the Office of President of the United States.
So, there’s your big loophole in the Constitution... “no birth certificate required”...
Here’s what I said in another post about that loophole and the required legislation to close it up...
You know..., like what I’ve been saying all along that is *guaranteed* to work, you know... stuff that normal people do — not those of the “Obama Derangement Syndrome” types... :-)
And that’s to get state laws enacted with require specific documentation in order for a candidate to be on the ballot. If they don’t supply it, they can’t be on the ballot.
Oklahoma, Azrizona and Missouri started that process in their legislatures, but the one in Oklahoma failed to get through this session. I’m going to be working on that one again the next session, too. As far as the other two states, I don’t know the status, but I’m sure the citizens there do.
I say to “get rational” and get this legislation passed in the states...
Isn’t it likely the divorce proceeding between Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham would have reversed the adoption by Lolo of Barry, as far as Hawaii law is concerned, given that Barry was Ann’s natural son and not Lolo’s?
bookmark for later reading.
Besides, in the eyes of the middle American voting public, Obama wasn't born, he was begotten. He descended. He was conceived by some sort Charming Spirit.
Except if any of those candidates had been proven to be lying when they signed those documents they could be held accountable. It has never been an issue that I can recall in any election since candidates lives have been well documented. It was just a formality until now.
As far as willy-nilly using another name, I do it all the time. I have dozens of names. This is America, not France. We have "name freedom" here ~ unless you've ever legally changed your name in a court of law, and then you don't have that freedom anymore.
But you miss the point. If a birth certificate exists showing he was NOT born in the USA, this proves that he committed perjury when he signed such documents. That in itself would make him legally ineligible. Of course, all his actions to date show him to be a bigger liar then even Billy Jeff Clinton, so this wouldn't be much of a surprise except to his knee-jerk butt-boys.
Why can’t I sign my name as anything I want as long as I sign it the same way....
I like the last-name MacAsshat... that way people won’t be surprised when I act like a jerk, as anyone with Asshat in their name would. [;)]
Might be different in Hawaii, you are in TX? But it is nice to celebrate the (more or less) one year anniversary of the BC vanity with another BC vanity.
Even if it is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that zero is ineligible to be POTUS, nothing is going to happen. The legal authority that would have jurisdiction in constitutional matters is SCOTUS, but after ‘00, they have shown no taste to involve themselves in electoral matters. So, if not them then who will act? His own puppet Eric Holder?, maybe dim controlled congress?, or maybe the pravda types in the msm? I’ll just hold my breath while any of the afforementioned hacks do anything other than talk about what a great American Michael Jackson was.
In Virginia, adopted child gets new Birth Certificate listing mother #2 as actual mother.
Original birth mother not mentioned on new B.C. As if she never existed.
Surely a record somewhere, but not on the B.C.
I'm not sure that Obama clams he was adopted, but regardless the changes you mention would be made only if the adoption occured in the U.S. Soetoro was Indonesian, so any adoption would have been done in the Indonesian courts and would have generated Indonesian paperwork. It would not have changed any documents in the U.S., only a U.S. court can order that.
It is analogous to an international adoption in the U.S. Some friends of mine went to China and adopted a baby girl. Once the adoption was finalized they received paperwork in the girl's new name. But somewhere in China there is still the Chinese equivalent of a birth certificate in her birth name.
You didn't ask me, and I am NOT an expert in these matters... But if I might be permitted to chip in my 2 cents:
My understanding is that a divorce has NO legal effect upon the parent/child relationship.
My parents divorced, my mother got custody of me, but that had NO effect upon the fact that, legally, my father was still my father - regardless as to whether I was adopted or not.
Whether the child is adopted or not should have NO bearing on the matter.
After Obama Sr. permanently gave up Obama Jr. for adoption, subsequent events (like the divorce between Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham) should have had absolutely no effect upon his having ceded all parental rights.
Regards,
You may want to do a little research on Chester Arthur's background and the controversy that he may have actually been born in Canada. Curiously, the Canadian town associated with Arthur's father was, coincidentally Dunham, which is in Quebec.
You said — Except if any of those candidates had been proven to be lying when they signed those documents they could be held accountable.
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Ummm..., another “catch”... you have to be able to proved he lied...
I don’t know why people can’t see that they are all in a “Catch-22” situation here. And that’s why these state laws are needed — in order to *break out* of this “Catch-22” situation...
You are assuming the adoption was done through the American courts when they were all living in Indonesia at the time, why would they bother?
I suppose one would then ask, was Barry ever adopted by Lolo as far as Hawaii law was concerned?
If he was only adopted in Indonesia, in an Indonesian adoption proceeding and no notice of that was legally given to Hawaii, then his birth certificate would never have been changed in the first place to reflect Lolo as his father.
You said — If a birth certificate exists showing he was NOT born in the USA, this proves that he committed perjury when he signed such documents. That in itself would make him legally ineligible.
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See Post #17 — and file under “Catch-22”...
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