[bgill]

Just thowing a personal opinion and thoughts out there.

[Star Traveler]

Well..., here’s another opinion...

A Presidential candidate has never been required to show a birth certificate and they have (in the past) only had to affirm that they were qualified (per the Constitution) by signing legal paperwork to that effect in each state.

And the fact of the matter is that this is exactly what Obama did, which is — to sign legal paperwork in which he says he is qualified to run for the Office of President of the United States.

So, there’s your big loophole in the Constitution... “no birth certificate required”...

[SirJohnBarleycorn]

Isn’t it likely the divorce proceeding between Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham would have reversed the adoption by Lolo of Barry, as far as Hawaii law is concerned, given that Barry was Ann’s natural son and not Lolo’s?

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

bookmark for later reading.

[mbarker12474]

Obama could announce tomorrow that he was born and raised in Tehran, and schooled in an Afghani madrassah under Taliban instruction, and nobody would notice or care except the one percent of the population that listens to Rush and reads Free Republic.

Besides, in the eyes of the middle American voting public, Obama wasn't born, he was begotten. He descended. He was conceived by some sort Charming Spirit.

[muawiyah]

Here's another thought for you. The "adoption" took place in Indonesia. That said, the US government doesn't give a damned. They wait until you are "of age", that is 18 years old, for you to make a decision regarding citizenship.

As far as willy-nilly using another name, I do it all the time. I have dozens of names. This is America, not France. We have "name freedom" here ~ unless you've ever legally changed your name in a court of law, and then you don't have that freedom anymore.

[OneWingedShark]

Why can’t I sign my name as anything I want as long as I sign it the same way....

I like the last-name MacAsshat... that way people won’t be surprised when I act like a jerk, as anyone with Asshat in their name would. [;)]

[palmer]

Might be different in Hawaii, you are in TX? But it is nice to celebrate the (more or less) one year anniversary of the BC vanity with another BC vanity.

[mapmaker77]

Even if it is proven beyond any shadow of a doubt that zero is ineligible to be POTUS, nothing is going to happen. The legal authority that would have jurisdiction in constitutional matters is SCOTUS, but after ‘00, they have shown no taste to involve themselves in electoral matters. So, if not them then who will act? His own puppet Eric Holder?, maybe dim controlled congress?, or maybe the pravda types in the msm? I’ll just hold my breath while any of the afforementioned hacks do anything other than talk about what a great American Michael Jackson was.

[Non-Sequitur]

Hussein claims he was adopted by Soetoro in the 60's. That means papa Obama relinquished his parental rights. When an adoption order comes into the clerk’s office, all mention of the biological parent is deleted from the records and the adoptive parent’s name replaces it. In other words, any real BC after the adoption date would have Soetoro listed as the father, NOT Obama.

I'm not sure that Obama clams he was adopted, but regardless the changes you mention would be made only if the adoption occured in the U.S. Soetoro was Indonesian, so any adoption would have been done in the Indonesian courts and would have generated Indonesian paperwork. It would not have changed any documents in the U.S., only a U.S. court can order that.

It is analogous to an international adoption in the U.S. Some friends of mine went to China and adopted a baby girl. Once the adoption was finalized they received paperwork in the girl's new name. But somewhere in China there is still the Chinese equivalent of a birth certificate in her birth name.

[Valpal1]

You are assuming the adoption was done through the American courts when they were all living in Indonesia at the time, why would they bother?

[real_patriotic_american]

Well, I believe that Obama was born in Kenya! Also, adoption by Soetoro to Indonesia would render him not a natural born citizen. Obama doesn’t appear to be an American citizen by attending Occidental College as a foreign student. Back to square one, Obama is not a natural born citizen since BOTH of his parents are not Americans- regardless of where he was born. His father was a Kenyan (a British Colony).

Disregard the defenses posed by the left.

[SatinDoll]

I’ve been researching Obama’s background since March 2008, and I’ve never come across any statement made by Barack Obama stating that he was adopted by his stepdad, Lolo Soetoro.

That information concerning the adoption is surmised because of a surviving record from the first school he attended in Indonesia. This record states that the student, Barry Soetoro, is an Indonesian citizen, he is Muslim, and his father is Lolo Soetoro.

At that time, Indonesia was a police state and non-citizens were not allowed to attend public school. The government sent officials out to regularly check paperwork at the schools for this purpose. Bribes could be paid to officials so they would look the other way, but Lolo Soetoro was not wealthy and it is doubtful he paid money to get his stepson/son into public school.

There is evidence that a U.S. congressional representative, a Democrat, traveled to Indonesia before the election in 2008 and bought up all records pertaining to Barry Soetoro and/or Barack Obama. That first school’s record just happenned to be missed.

Obama wants to hide his background in the worst kind of way.

[x]

Obama’s mother was not one to worry much about paperwork. If I had to bet, I’d have to say that she didn’t change her son’s nationality to please Indonesian authorities and didn’t worry about having him legally adopted by her second husband.

[real_patriotic_american]

Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama’s mother, attended the University of Hawaii during the fall of 1960. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in autumn of 1961.

Between these start dates, Miss Duham became pregnant with Obama on Nov. 1, 1960 while she was 17 years of age. Claims are that she married Obama Sr. on February 2, 1961. If this is correct and Obama Sr. was already married, it would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is outlawed in Hawaii, but legal in Kenya. Thus, chances are that Obama’s mother had moved to Kenya residing there the months preceding Obama’s 1961 birth.

Obama’s own grandmother states that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. Thus, he would not be a natural born citizen. Obama is reported to have been born August 4, 1961.

Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

Is there any witnesses to Stanley Ann Dunham’s location and movement in 1961 up through Obama’s birth. Any medical clinic visits in the U.S. during her pregnancy? I have not heard of any which is a good indication that she was in Kenya.

Claims indicate that Obama was adopted and became Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it. He attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro. Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic).

By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not. By spending an enormous amount in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden, it leads one to think that he is NOT a natural born citizen.

[rolling_stone]

A few personal points. I am a (NATURAL BORN) USC and traveled extensively to foreign countries as a child. IIRC, both I and my sister were listed on my mother's passport and our photos were taken with her until approximately age 8. When my older sister reached about that age I was on my mother's passport with my mother alone and my sister had her own passport. Then when I was about 8 I received my own passport. (I need to break out the old passports to confirm) This was in the 1950’s.

I also had vaccination cards separate from my passport, and believe me traveling to foreign countries required that your “shot card” was up to date. You did not want to loose them for fear of having a to take a new series of shots. I did not have a family doctor to keep records as I moved around so much. There were records in my medical files, but they were not always readily accessible when traveling. They are stored with my old passports and photos.

[Redwood Bob]

“Hussein claims he was adopted by Soetoro in the 60’s.”

I call B.S. Please cite reputable source and I will humbly apologize.

[classical artist]

“When an adoption order comes into the clerk’s office, all mention of the biological parent is deleted from the records and the adoptive parent’s name replaces it.”
I thought that the original BC was then placed in a vault & a court order was needed to release it.
I was informed by our state that the original BC(member of my family who was adopted) needs a court order to be released. So my question -in your state the original was deleted & what does that mean?