Posted on 06/07/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
According to the Hawaii Star-Bulletin, the State of Hawaii, Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues "certifications" of live births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
And, it's only available in electronic form.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
"The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests," Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate."
"The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models," she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form "contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth "as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements."
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, "This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."
Is Ms. Okubo trying to say that Hawaii no longer has a copy of Obama's original birth certificate on file? -- how convenient.
Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?
"Therefore, I, as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?
Maybe Indiana Jones can find Obama's original birth certificate. After all, he found the Ark of the Covenant. COLB 6/7/09
THis is a smokescreen to protect the Kenyan ....
Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?
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Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?
> The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
As the Church Lady might say, “How Conveeeeenient!”
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My take, that does not circumvent what the law was then. If he had a long form issued and placed on file, any new law stating they no longer do that, or whatever they are trying to feed us, has no impact. I am sure they may have changed the laws on obtaining a birth certificate if you were not born of the islands but a parent was a resident (not sure, but...).
The requirements for president come from the Constitution, which is not, in fact, a "federal government agency." And actually, even a birth certificate (or it's various definitions) is not the issue here.
The actual issue is very simple: where was he born?
“Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?”
To them, it’s the same story, only different....or something equally confusing.
I bet parents are so proud to have their CD-ROM with the Hawaii COLB of their child framed. < /sarc>
Stalinists love revisionist history.
The Constitution is silent on mechanism for proving place of birth.
It appears possible Chester Arthur, 19th century president, was actually born a few miles inside Canada. If true, nobody cared at the time.
A good question for Janice Okubo, who knows whether Hawaii issued O’s purported COLB and in what form, would have been whether, after reveiwing her files, she recognizes the document on O’s public website.
She doesn’t have to be a forensic expert to respond to that question and the document is in the public realm.
That was then, this is now. Chester Arthur wasn’t a marxist, socialist pig trying to destroy our country. We need that birth certificate asap!
You are wrong, and it does nothing to settle the issue, where he is born does not establish Natural Born Citizenship status, period.
Then why won't he admit he was born in Kenya? Yes, there are other considerations, such as the mother's age, and the amount of time spent in the US by each of the parents, and whether the area of birth was a US territory and the parents were there under official duty, etc. But in this particular case, exactly, precisely where he was born is the starting point of all the other considerations, and enough is now known about the other variables that have to be considered that determining where, exactly, precisely he was born would settle the issue of his Consitutional legitimacy for the presidency.
Period.
Talisker has a good point, the threshold issue is where was he born. If Kenya, he is instantly unqualified because his mother was not of sufficient age to confer any citizenship. Game over.
If your point is...”where he is born does not establish Natural Born Citizenship status, period.”, I agree.
Unfortunately for many of us, there are a number of Republican members of Congress who are accomplished attorneys and they looked the other way regarding O’s father. There may be a real question whether a USSC would stand up and say all those sophisticated folks are incorrect, O needed a citizen father to be natural born.
Moreover, I suspect the prevailing attitude of our elected representatives would be to allow O to renounce any other “outdated” citizenship he may be hauling around, “in order to get on with business”.
How convenient for Obama.... AND Hawaii.
Nothing to hide, eh Barry?
Barry’s Transparency and Open Government ping.
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