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Law on Flu Vaccinations May Be Tested
NY Times ^ | January 4, 2009 | DERRICK HENRY

Posted on 01/04/2009 6:48:39 PM PST by neverdem

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To: DevNet
I buy it here... it works -- I know some people pooh-pooh homeopathy until they use it:

http://elixirs.com/NEWSLETTER/DOLIVAXIL.cfm

41 posted on 01/04/2009 7:24:13 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Lady GOP

>>She said they thought it was due to the vaccines.<<

Actually, I don’t think it’s the vaccines per se, but the combo shots.

A friend of mine has an Autistic son. She has scheduled every sibling with a different schedule of vaccines. Never a combo. They are all fine. The Autistic boy (who is totally non-verbal) was perfect before one of the combo shots at two years old.


42 posted on 01/04/2009 7:25:26 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: neverdem

Hey, if you don’t like the “regulations” get the hell out! End of story.


43 posted on 01/04/2009 7:27:34 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: DevNet

Vitamin D3 likely does a BETTER job than any flu shot. Do a little research.


44 posted on 01/04/2009 7:40:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: Lady GOP
I didn't say it was new, but all the science that's come out since disproving the link between vaccines and the evolving standards of what constitutes autism hasn't made it 'old' news, either. The autism lobby just refuses to move off of some outmoded notion that they heard from the "earth mother" types thirty years ago.

Yes, that's how long ago I first heard about the anti-vaccination types. There was all kinds of that garbage bundled up with the natural childbirth stuff my ex was subjected to when she was having our first child.

45 posted on 01/04/2009 7:43:22 PM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: goodnesswins

I’ll definitely look that up. When I start getting sick I just up fluids (juice, water, gatorade, etc) and fruit. I’ll buy some VitC drops as well. I that won’t work for everything, though.


46 posted on 01/04/2009 7:44:38 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: netmilsmom

the combo is horrible for dogs, too. They really only need parvo and distemper... our society is too vaccine crazy without understanding how they even work in our immune systems.


47 posted on 01/04/2009 7:50:16 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: goodnesswins

VERY true!


48 posted on 01/04/2009 7:50:53 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: hunter112

No one knows for certain what causes it... and studies are normally not done by people without a dog in the hunt, which means you cannot rule out or in vaccinations.


49 posted on 01/04/2009 7:53:04 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: nmh

The reason why vaccines are required is that high vaccination rates reduce the chance of epidemic. An epidemic requires one person to pass the disease on to several. Having many people immune in the population can cut the chances of that.

In particular, people who are in close proximity to many others, such as those in government schools, receive preferential benefit from vaccination.

Having the government decide on the vaccine and then give it away free is flawed policy. The time required to develop the vaccine gives the virus time to mutate. When there were many different manufacturers and developers, there were several different vaccines available. Some were worthless, but some were effective, others were partially effective. When it was known what the common flu virus for that year had mutated to, doctors had choices of which vaccine to give to each population.

Most healthy adults would be given the least effective vaccines for the placebo effect.
Doctors and nurses would be given the most effective vaccines, with the next, partially effective vaccines given to children and teachers.

The small companies who, through luck, had developed the most effective vaccine that year would sell out. The less effective vaccines would sell some, enough to keep them trying for next year. Some 30% to 50% would actually be immunized each year, which with careful placement is plenty to prevent epidemic.

Now, only one vaccine is available. There is no ability to preferentially place immunity. A much higher vaccination rate is required to get the necessary population immunity. Even so, every 7 years or so the vaccine is ineffective, and people are exposed to the risk of epidemic. At best, there is risk of shortage, as foreign companies that sell to the US government are the only suppliers, and expect some little gain, but no chance for big profits. Quality control problems have led to shortages.

The purpose: To make the world safe for socialized medicine, the government must require a single vaccine, so that epidemics can occur, justifying even more government intervention.


50 posted on 01/04/2009 7:53:16 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: donmeaker

I’d like to see them mandate Vitamin D3 at 1000 per day for everyone from September to March (more if you live north of Phoenix....) It would make an interesting test, that’s for sure.


51 posted on 01/04/2009 7:55:13 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: neverdem

There is just one serious possibility for limited immunity from the Avian flu (H5N1). Almost nobody has any resistance to it whatsoever, which strongly contributes to its sky high 60% mortality rate (6 in 10 who catch the disease die).

That limited immunity might exist if people get two vaccination exposures to non-pathogenic H5N1 strains, so that their immune systems can learn to adapt at least partially to this alien and murderous virus.

That is, you have to be vaccinated for any old version of H5N1 once, and let your immune system adapt. And then there has to be a second vaccination of a different, generic strain.

Importantly, this will NOT protect you from the disease, just make it less likely that you will die from it, because it is no longer totally alien to your immune system.

If this technique is proven, then ALL school children must get this two vaccination process. NO exceptions. Not for religion, fear of autism or other side effects.

For this reason, if not by State or federal law, than by presidential executive order in time of martial law.


52 posted on 01/04/2009 7:55:17 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: DevNet

picking your nose, and eating it.


53 posted on 01/04/2009 7:55:57 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Where has H5N1 been a problem?


54 posted on 01/04/2009 7:56:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: Fee
re: Several universities surveyed Amish communities and found their autism rate is 1/100 of non Amish rates. )))

The Amish marry young and start families young. There is also a theory that older parents (both mom and pop) have a higher incidence of autism. We're having kids much later in life than we used to.

The trouble with blaming vaccines for everything is that it is the one variable than almost all kids have in common. You shake somebody's hand, they drop dead, it was the handshake that did it...

55 posted on 01/04/2009 7:57:03 PM PST by Mamzelle (Boycott Peggy Swoonin')
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To: goodnesswins

You don’t need to do a study with everyone. A mere 1000 or so would suffice.

But then the autism folks would link autism with D3.


56 posted on 01/04/2009 7:59:58 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Fee

The Amish probably get less exposure to bright lights, government schools, and doctors.

They have a higher rate of depression. I don’t think vaccinations would cure that.


57 posted on 01/04/2009 8:03:15 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: neverdem

QUACK!
58 posted on 01/04/2009 8:04:47 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Would children be the only ones to get this Avian flu vaccine? What about the elderly?


59 posted on 01/04/2009 8:05:25 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Lady GOP

“She said they thought it was due to the vaccines.”

no no it’s really due to the bad karma and negative crystal energy.
She should stick to teaching and leave medicine to actual doctors.


60 posted on 01/04/2009 8:09:00 PM PST by ari-freedom
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