Posted on 01/04/2009 6:48:39 PM PST by neverdem
Thanks for the info & link.
You don’t know the number of injections given but you do know intricate details of how they are made and how they work?
That really doesn’t make much sense.
In case you missed it ping...(Thanks, neverdem!)
Interesting. Thanks for the link.
We don’t do the flu vaccine. As far as I know, it’s not required for my girls (4, all in school). We hesitated on the Chicken Pox vaccine when it first came out. My two older kids had chicken pox (and the oldest got shingles years later) and the vaccine wasn’t required then. The two youngest finally received the chicken pox vaccine because even during exposure to those with chicken pox, they didn’t get it.
Our two teens (junior and senior in high school) got the HPV vaccine a few months ago and again the second shot last month. We went back and forth on that one but decided to go ahead and get the shots.
I probably don’t know much about “the flu” other than we don’t get sick often, other than the yearly stomach virus thing that goes through the house (and I tend to escape without getting it) or the occasional ear infection or sinus infection or common cold. My late mom used to get the flu shot but that was because she was elderly and her immune system sucked due to her other health issues.
NJ is notorious for pushing vaccines and making them required.
“While I totally agree with you that these vaccines are strong and many vaccines are unnecessary, the stat you quote is dependent upon the wide interpretation of the diagnosis of autistic, which is highly suspect due to the amount of federal monies and grants involved for school districts across the nation.”
Excellent post.
Autism includes a wide, very wide, spectrum now. Similar to ADD and ADHD that has been misdiagnosed and over diagnosed.
Yep! Well said.
LMAO! So true.
I’m seeing the same thing unfortunately.
I’ve read that thread, or one of them. Thanks for posting about this.
What do you mean by “strong?”
The flu vaccine this year does include strains that are circulating even though there’s a new one going around, also.
The adjuvant used to increase the immune system response is a big culprit in this. Each vaccine has a different adjuvant, a few years ago they used aluminum based ones. Mercury may be another adjuvant, I am not sure. Your body is supposed to mount a sufficient immune response, so that can be considered normal (soreness, heat at the site). That being said, I never take the flu shot. I take Zinc every other nite and a multi with copper every day.
I did mean “exercise”...
Just having a bad spelling/grammar week...
Wish I could say it was a rare problem but it isn’t.
Thank you for bringing up the fetal cell line vaccines. Monstrous!
>>We get the flu shots here because my daughters almost died of a respiratory illness when they were babies. My one daughter still has severe asthma when she has a respiratory illness, and my other daughter has a heart arrhythmia and epilepsy. They are high risk. I have asthma, so I guess I am too.<<
And that’s the thing. Low immune system or asthma or seniors, sure should get them.
But healthy people should build up immune systems by getting sick.
The mortality rate would be the same in Peoria. The lung damage is so severe that physicians can tell from a single chest X-Ray if a victim will die or have a chance of living. Most of the fatalities are linked to oxygen deprivation of the vital organs.
The Spanish flu of 1918 had a mortality rate of only 2.5%-5%, and likely killed more people than the black plagues of the 15th and 17th Centuries.
A 60% mortality rate is almost unimaginable. And yes, the vast number of deaths will be in Asia, Oceania, and Africa.
America is fortunate in that we are underpopulated, except on the coasts, have considerable public awareness of hygiene, and have a superb communications system. (We have no advantage because of our health care system. There is little they can do in such a situation.)
I have long been interested in killer influenza, since high school. I even interviewed some of the survivors of the Spanish flu of 1918, most of whom had tried very hard to forget that epidemic.
One account was from when he was a boy, and was confined to his house for much of six months. His room was on the second floor, and his house was on the route taken by horse drawn carriage from his town to the cemetery. He had nightmares whenever he saw smaller caskets being taken, not knowing which of his friends and peers had died.
He never did find out for sure, because after the epidemic, the dead became non-persons, and it was a faux pas to talk about anything that reminded people of the plague, because everyone had suffered.
“If you like communism so much, move to a country where they like to tell people how to live. But not here.”
Have sympathy even for parents who did not vaccinate their children, who then shriek and wail helplessly as they watch them slowly suffocate, drowning in their own fluids. Their hearts will be broken, but they can live with the knowledge that they knew better.
The general healthy population was tested for antibodies to the avian flu?
Is it known for a fact that EVERYBODY who becomes infected with it has that kind of mortality rate?
How is it known that there aren’t people who get it and have no worse symptoms than any other flu?
One thing to keep in mind is that in third world countries, people don’t go to the hospital until they’re at death’s door to begin with. I have friends who lived in Colombia for a while and they told me that the people there don’t go to hospitals because hospitals are where you go to die.
The problem is, they don’t go until they’re too far gone to help, so it is true. But you can’t convince someone with a medical need to go there in time because they’re convinced that they will die if they go there.
They also don’t go because they can’t afford it. So there’s this scenario that the only people who seek medical treatment are those so desperately ill that there’s virtually no hope for them anyway.
I question the mortality rate because there’s no way of knowing how many people may have had the virus and recovered just fine.
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