Posted on 11/07/2008 4:32:12 AM PST by Perseverando
Report cites Frank's proposal to cut military 25%
President-elect Barack Obama raised questions during an election campaign stop in Colorado Springs when he asserted the U.S. needs a "civilian national security force" that would be as powerful, strong and well-funded as the Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force, but few of those questions have been answered.
But now one report is proposing a possible solution for part of the equation: From where would the money for such an organization come? Democrats in Congress now are floating the idea of cutting U.S. military spending by 25 percent, or $150 billion a year, and according to a report from blogger Jay Tea, that could be used for the new "security force."
The idea to cut the military, proposed by Rep. Barney Frank, already is being opposed by Republicans.
Frank, D-Mass., recently told a newspaper the Pentagon will have to start choosing the cuts from its weapons programs because he wants to slash more than $150 billion from the estimated $607 billion in defense spending already approved for fiscal year 2008.
Sen. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., argued America now is fighting terror worldwide, including active wars in Afghanistan and Iran, and that has stretched the capabilities of the military already.
He warned cutting funding in such a drastic way would be irresponsible.
"You know if we don't make the right decisions about the military nothing else will matter will it? Because if we don't have a free country then you know what do these other programs matter at all? That's the number one responsibility," he said.
The blogger, however, saw the plan linked this way: "Representative Barney Frank, apparently not content with his role in wreaking havoc on the nation's financial system, has announced that he will push for a 25 percent cut in
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I'm very suspicious of this 'new' group and dislike cutting funding to our military.
Isn't one of our rights the right to a strong defense? Isn't trying to undermine and underfund our military unconstitutional?
I believe in selective filibusters. This is one time to use it.
Curious. Wondering if Obama is planning this “Civilian National Security Force” as contrived logic to state with such in place there isn’t any need for Americans to own guns?
He is a gun grabber. Might be just the basis of his ruse.
So of course they are now making plans to bring their dreams to fruition.
Because he can't use the Military to put down civilian dissent...but he could use the "civilian National Security Force" (aka Gestapo).......
It’s just putting into place a national network of well organized and motivated thought police who are ready to spring into action using communist secret police and nazi tactics when weapons of mass destruction (WMD”s) are used on American and Obama declares martial law.
We will all be labeled enemies of the state. What do you think will happen to those of us who can’t or won’t be expediently re-educated?
Never ever proposed by any other President...In fact, goes against the "No standing Army" of our forefathers.
Note to the ‘Rats, I have a four digit number for y’all: 2010 :)
Talk like this really has to worry nations like Aphganistan, Taiwan, Israel, the Ukraine, Georgia, Checkoslavakia, Poland, Lithuiania, Latvia and Estonia.
WND can make a fortune fomenting citizen fear of the US government instead of its usual foreign terrorist attack scare tactics.
I agree!!! I betcha Joe Lieberman would join the filibuster.
Uh, against whom would such power be used, Barney? You would use massive military-like force against citizens in this country? When we can't even "spy" on them by monitoring their calls to terror suspects overseas?
Something seriously wrong here...
Re: .In fact, goes against the “No standing Army” of our forefathers.
That’s right. They’re not “a standing army.” So what are they really?
And is coming from the same people who want to flush the Second Amendment.
Puts me in mind of this quote...
Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State.
Heinrich Himmler
Occupying the country with a Federally controlled army. The insanity of this is mind boggling. What about posse comitatus? I guess he’ll have to wait for the system to be developed under the guise of community activism and simultaneously stack the judiciary more before arming the brownshirts. The history of tyranny is trying to repeat itself.
This article seems to talk about the issues with a civilian “national security force” in terms of $$. But what about purpose? How is this different from Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, Border Patrol, and police? My fear is that this is a Gestapo of some kind, devoted to special projects, like: confiscating guns, monitoring media (including Internet) for “fairness”, enforcing “tolerance”, etc. Whatever the rationale, fighting terrorism will be a distant second.
I’m wondering if Obama will want to federalize, arm and supply local police organizations.
The filibuster will not exist come February, 2009. The 111th Congress starts in January, and it will set new rules that lower the threshold for overturning a filibuster to 51 or 55 seats. And then the filibuster simply goes away - it cannot be used.
Mark my words - the filibuster as we know it today is gone; it will be left as a hollow shell only so the Slavery Party (the Democrats) can claim they were “bipartisan” and left it alone with small changes. But it will be functionally eliminated.
The GOP will have zero say in anything - the House, the Senate, and of course the White House. It will be a virtual one-party town now with all possible input from the GOP turned off.
Talk like this ought to worry STATES, like Kentucky, Tennesse & Texas...
I wonder what they’ll be “securing”. It seems unlikely that they’ll be securing our borders and even more unlikely that they’ll go overseas. That just leaves our streets which is clearly unconstitutional.
One day within the next 4 years the American people are going to be saying WTF have we done?
Maybe even Tennessee...
We need to use Alinsky tactics and stock Obama’s Security Force with neo-cons....
Makes sense.
Look for a charter that attempts to mimic the US military with the tiny removal of posse comitatus. Add to this all the worst parts of the ‘patriot’ act, and stand by for heavy rolls.
Change, you bet...
hope, not much...
yes they can, cause the electorate said they could.
The Civilian National Security Force will be all the MORE reason for citizens to buy guns. In fact, I cannot think of a better way to sell MORE guns than to keep this proposal in the limelight.
**the American people are going to be saying WTF have we done?**
Before or after they start rounding up the JEWS because they’ve finished Rounding up the REPUBLICANS!
**’civilian national security force’**
it was called the GESTAPO!
From my somewhat limited understanding of life under communism, this will probably be the foundation for putting in place and supervising the networks of citizen spies who report on each other, turn in neighbors, co-workers for any suspicious gatherings, meetings, or disloyal statements opposing the “government.”
Relax, Mr. Obama already has the civilian national defense force. The only thing he needs it to transfer the money for it. It's called ACORN. It's just a matter of expanding the activities from “mortgage fraud” and voter fraud to new endeavors in Chicago thuggery. Once the black panthers are fully trained and deployed, there won't be the need for all those nasty military people.
JOIN THE RESISTANCE 
The National Security Force will be used by the newly named Freedom Party to knock on your door to take your gun after the 2nd Amendment is repealed.
“One day within the next 4 years the American people are going to be saying WTF are we going to do?”
I said this BEFORE the election and to as many friends as possible. None believed me.
I voted McCain/Palin.
Gee, if we have a civilian militia, does that mean there will be no more need for individuals to keep/bear firearms?
The State will protect all of us?
Couple that with an assault on the 2nd amendment from a revised Supreme Court and you begin to see a game plan.
Mark my words. There is no doubt in my mind that if he puts this into practice it will start the second American Civil War.
“Wondering if Obama is planning this “Civilian National Security Force” as contrived logic to state with such in place there isn’t any need for Americans to own guns?”
I was wondering the same thing.
I wonder, will they wear black shirts or brown shirts? Or given the acceptance of Barney Frank, rainbow colored?
As you bump into them again over the coming days and months, be sure to ask them how they plan to fulfill their upcoming mandatory volunteer obligations.
Sorry to pop your bubble but, with the Mexican Border being thrown wide open and all those former illegals getting citizenship just by registering, (End of problem) all those new Democrats will flock to the polls for what ever handout the Democrats promise them.
Many of them already were given brand new houses (5 million to be exact) and with national health care, they will come like a tsunami from all over the World.
A good article on the civillian security force is at http://volokh.com/posts/1216451854.shtml . I think it will be a giant boondoggle, but I don’t think the intention is to create a parallel military to oppress Americans at home.
They’ll wear blue shirts—both the Democrat and UN color.
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