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Leading geneticist Steve Jones says human evolution is over
The London Times ^ | October 7, 2008 | Julia Belluz

Posted on 10/06/2008 5:31:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Human evolution is grinding to a halt because of a shortage of older fathers in the West, according to a leading genetics expert.

Fathers over the age of 35 are more likely to pass on mutations, according to Professor Steve Jones, of University College London.

Speaking today at a UCL lecture entitled “Human evolution is over” Professor Jones will argue that there were three components to evolution – natural selection, mutation and random change. “Quite unexpectedly, we have dropped the human mutation rate because of a change in reproductive patterns,” Professor Jones told The Times.

“Human social change often changes our genetic future,” he said, citing marriage patterns and contraception as examples. Although chemicals and radioactive pollution could alter genetics, one of the most important mutation triggers is advanced age in men.

This is because cell divisions in males increase with age. “Every time there is a cell division, there is a chance of a mistake, a mutation, an error,” he said. “For a 29-year old father [the mean age of reproduction in the West] there are around 300 divisions between the sperm that made him and the one he passes on – each one with an opportunity to make mistakes.

“For a 50-year-old father, the figure is well over a thousand. A drop in the number of older fathers will thus have a major effect on the rate of mutation.”

Professor Jones added: “In the old days, you would find one powerful man having hundreds of children.” He cites the fecund Moulay Ismail of Morocco, who died in the 18th century, and is reputed to have fathered 888 children. To achieve this feat, Ismail is thought to have copulated with an average of about 1.2 women a day over 60 years.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: evolution; genetics; mutations; science
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C'mon old guys! Get out there and do your part!
1 posted on 10/06/2008 5:31:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well. Isn’t that...conveeeenient?


2 posted on 10/06/2008 5:33:47 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t think this guy is correct..

Most elderly animals don’t breed. It’s the young and robust animals that do.


3 posted on 10/06/2008 5:34:58 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I can’t comment authoritatively but it sounds pretty crackpot to me.

I had been wondering what the former Sex Pistols lead guitarist had been up to.


4 posted on 10/06/2008 5:35:16 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve often wondered if evolution created brains that were smart enough to beat natural extinction.

By the way, natural selection is all about the genes, and they don’t care what machine they’re inside of. The survival of the species is a curiosity to us, not “evolution.”


5 posted on 10/06/2008 5:36:46 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Human evolution is over... hmmm... Did they note that Barack Obama and Barney Frank are proof that we are regressing? Or did they claim that Barack Obama is evidence that we can evolve no further?


6 posted on 10/06/2008 5:37:23 PM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: ari-freedom

Humans never evolved in the first place.


7 posted on 10/06/2008 5:37:39 PM PDT by Rodm (Seest thou a man diligent in his business? He shall stand before kings)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know that I’m done evolving. Some people say I am set in my ways.


8 posted on 10/06/2008 5:37:52 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Debate Drinking Game: One shot every time 0bama interrupts McCain.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t get this. It seems like in the past 30 years older and older men have been being fathers, and that for most of human history men didn’t make it to 35.


9 posted on 10/06/2008 5:38:03 PM PDT by itsPatAmerican
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

*snert*

Historically, of course (not to mention prehistorically), the evidence suggests that most men over 50 were dead, so how’d we evolve until now?

Anyway, wait until the female-shortage goes global, and then rich old guys will start making up a larger percentage of fathers.


10 posted on 10/06/2008 5:38:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (This is embarassing! Have a Guinness and pull yourselves together!)
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Ismail is thought to have copulated with an average of about 1.2 women a day over 60 years.

GEEZ! Ismail must've had one heck of a marathon libido, not to mention extraordinary stamina ....

11 posted on 10/06/2008 5:39:00 PM PDT by Mr_Moonlight
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh please...what a load-


12 posted on 10/06/2008 5:39:06 PM PDT by okokie (40 days of Prayer and fasting to end abortion Sept 24-Nov 2 http://www.40daysforlife.com/splash.cfm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So is global warming.


13 posted on 10/06/2008 5:39:17 PM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Complete and utter nonsense!

1: The reproduction patterns of this generation are not an indicator of future patterns.

2: Isolated mutations (the mathematical equivalent of zero) are washed out by the massive population.


14 posted on 10/06/2008 5:39:34 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: Mr_Moonlight

Ismail is thought to have copulated with an average of about 1.2 women a day over 60 years.

GEEZ! Ismail must’ve had one heck of a marathon libido, not to mention extraordinary stamina ....”

I find that 0.2 of a woman kinda icky.


15 posted on 10/06/2008 5:40:55 PM PDT by Islander7 (The only thing Obama has to fear is the truth!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don't know if I find him to be an authority, British or not.

16 posted on 10/06/2008 5:41:06 PM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: Islander7

no, it stopped. but it will come back. after all Al gore can’t be wrong.


17 posted on 10/06/2008 5:41:22 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Evolution = faith-based atheism.
18 posted on 10/06/2008 5:42:02 PM PDT by Obadiah
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Fathers over the age of 35 are more likely to pass on mutations

Noah was 500 years old when his sons were born. His children must have had a wide diversity.

19 posted on 10/06/2008 5:42:53 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: TASMANIANRED

We’re not talking elderly, we’re talking those in their prime who can still beat down the young toughs. In Human, it’s mostly done with money. I’ve held for some time that young women find success just as attractive as they do youth and beauty.

That said, I think this is a ridiculous statement to make. This culture is a passing thing. It will be gone in a blink of the planetary eye. This fellow should know that. It makes him suspect that he wouldn’t recognize it.


20 posted on 10/06/2008 5:45:01 PM PDT by ichabod1 (You won't know communism is here until it puts a boot in your (fat) derriere.)
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