Posted on 09/03/2008 8:14:06 AM PDT by steve-b
Barack Obama has struggled for 18 months to lock down the support of a traditionally Democratic group, Jewish voters.
In the past week, John McCain may have helped Obama with his Jewish problem by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate....
"There is almost always an inverse proportion between a candidate's popularity among conservative Christians and secular Jews," said Jeff Ballabon, a Republican lobbyist long active in Jewish politics who supports McCain.
An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin's church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the founder of Jews for Jesus.
Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church's website.
"He's a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism," Kroon said...
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her....
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I really have no idea what the validity of his claim might be, but Fur Shur, I've never heard of the guy yet I've known Orthodox Jews who for years and years have voted Republican out of a principled consideration of the relative merits of the candidates.
Jeff also counted among his "friends" a former Yale law professor, GR Chastain, and up until the day he died in prison he was still working with him to revise/improve Court TV.
Now GRC was a friend of mine (on the net), and had a first-class mind, but I really don't think I'd have gotten involved in a business relationship with the man, but there you have it.
Does anyone have anything good to say about Jeff?
There’s still nothing deceptive about it. The very name “Jews for Jesus” pretty much tells everyone where they’re coming from.
If they believe that they aren’t Jews.
Are you a DU troll or a disenfranchised Romney/Huckabee/Ron Paul/Bob Barr supporter?
Believing in Jesus completes a Jew. They are still looking for a Messiah, who has already come, and will come a second time.
You don’t get any more Jewish than Saul of Tarsus, who received revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, and “converted” to “Christianity”. He always remained a Jew, and wrote extensively about it in the New Testament for those interested in his experience.
There is NOTHING deceptive about what Jews for Jesus is doing, they are perfectly open and above board about their beliefs and practices.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Stop it...you're killing me. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!.....
Um I’m sorry, but Obama’s website is well known for its anti-semantic posters....
silly thing to debate on this thread, Good Luck to you. Go McCain.
You've got it backward.
This begs comparison. Everything about Obama is anti-Israel and pro-Fatah.
Everything about Palin is pro-Israel. Trust me, the Israelis know the difference between McCain-Palin and Obama-Biden. And so do the arabs. Just ask yourself, where is the Gaza money going, to McCain, or Obama?
“Any Christian should try to convert as many as possible...includes Jews.”
Ha! I wonder how many converts these nutbags actually get.
Very few, I’d imagine. The Jewish people are very astute and way of these serpents.
As to the number of ‘conversions’ I would wager most of them are just disaffected souls moving one from obscure Christian denomination to another.
But..smarter cool Jews who know Christians are their allies against folks who really do want to exterminate them will like this and appreciate this “alliance” for what it is.
Both Palin and McCain are much more pro-Israel and by default Jewish Identity preservation than Obama.
Obama just shares the ultra leftist ideology of the Red Diaper Baby class who I hope are being supplanted by smarter younger Jews.
But there is no doubt that amongst some of the harshest critics of Palin these past few days have been leftist Jewish writers, politicians and talking heads.
in the end though Jews are such a small electorate and can really only help in South Florida where it's close enough to matter overall....then why roll over anyhow.
Kali and NY , too many other strong lefty groups for flipping Jews to Mccain to matter. I still say McCain gets more Jew's vote than since 1984.
I think your view of Judaism is entirely too narrow and sterile ~ it's been a "broad tent" for seveal thousand years ~ kind of set the standard for the theological daughters it has spawned.
Then there's the problem that almost all the different sorts of Judaism that had representatives come to America found themselves squeezed out by the vigorous Reform movement missionaries from Cincinatti, so it's possible you are of the impression that all Jews were always Reform (which even Jacob Schmiddlapp would laugh at).
The facts are that Palin has received extensive praise as being a good friend to the Alaskan Jewish Community by Chabad Rabbi Greenberg. No Alaska Jewish source has said otherwise. She also participated in the celebration of the 60th anniversary of Israel's founding, and just last night met with AIPAC officials, who liked what she had to say.
Au contraire, Senor Schmidlapp, if they didn't believe that "other" Jews were not "real Jews" THEY WOULD NOT PROSELYTIZE.
No physical manifestation whatsoever? So how did God walk in the garden with Adam and Eve? How did Moses see the back of God as He walked by (after God had placed Moses in the cleft of the rock)? How did Jacob wrestle with Him? How would the prophesies in Isaiah come to pass if God were not (and never had) manifested physically?
You should check with your religious guide or counselor to see if that sort of thing is actually permitted in public.
Could give your cult a bad name you know!
Alas, I got the distinct impression that their theological point was to “bring back those born to the promise to the real thing” ~ leastwise guy I used to ride to work with told me that ~ and he was a successful Lubovitch missionary in this area.
While I don’t think this thread should become a debate about Jews for Jesus, to say there is no contradiction between being Jewish and being Christian is ridiculous. If you believe there is a “new covenant” then you are a Christian. According to Judaism, as we know, it is 100% absolutely contradictory to G-d’s Word, the Torah, to believe there is a “new covenant.”
Put a sock in it. You are nothing but a worthless troll.
This pissing contest is pretty much a one-way affair. The false, far-fetched accusations are being made by Jewish 'Rat sources who are sensing a loss of hegemony oover "their" people and are showing signs of desperation. The biggest single pissers here are Cong. Robert Wexler (D-FL) and the National Jewish Democratic Council, led by one Ira N. Foreman.
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