Posted on 09/03/2008 8:14:06 AM PDT by steve-b
Barack Obama has struggled for 18 months to lock down the support of a traditionally Democratic group, Jewish voters.
In the past week, John McCain may have helped Obama with his Jewish problem by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate....
"There is almost always an inverse proportion between a candidate's popularity among conservative Christians and secular Jews," said Jeff Ballabon, a Republican lobbyist long active in Jewish politics who supports McCain.
An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin's church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the founder of Jews for Jesus.
Palin's pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church's website.
"He's a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism," Kroon said...
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her....
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And when Joe Lieberman is campaigning in South Florida for McCain, the old jewish retirees there will ignore him and vote for Obama of the Trinity Racist Church? I don’t think so! This feeble attempt to portray Palin as anti-semetic will backfire on the Dems. They are only pulling it out because they know Lieberman will give McCain cred with Jews that Obama will never have.
well, there I’ll have to part ways with you. Jews for Jesus is attempting to convince Jews that Jesus was the promised Messiah, in other words to become Christians. So it’s mutually exclusive with being Jewish to be a Jew for Jesus. But other than that, I don’t think Jews object to them any more than they do to any other attempts to proselytize.
“There is almost always an inverse proportion between a candidate’s popularity among conservative Christians and secular Jews,”
And what sort of a relationship is there between a candidate who is extrememly popular with Muslims and Jews? Yeah, Barry’s got the Jewish vote locked up.
Only the ones who were going to vote for Obama anyway.
THIS IS GARBAGE. Sure, there are lots of crazy crazy liberal reform Jews who would rage against Palin. But they were way on board for Obama already. The talk I’ve heard lately consists of: concerns that Obama isn’t even an American citizen, how overblown the controversy is about Palin’s teen daughter, and how Palin has an Israeli flag in her office.
Identity politics approaches satire level. Its like Mel Brooks and Jerry Seinfeld having a pissing contest.
The Jewish vote is going to go to the Dems regardless. It is quixotic to pursue it. There are far more evangelicals out there and most of them are solid conservatives.
The last time I checked, Joe Lieberman was still listed as being of the Jewish faith. In fact, he’s the fist and only Jewish person that I know of who has run for Vice President of either party and last night he endorsed John McCain and Sarah Palin. She obviously didn’t scare him away.
Who the heck is David Brickner? I thought Morris Rosen was the founder of Jews for Jesus.
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Be specific. . .how are they deceptive? They truly believe what they are teaching these 'young targets' as you call them, so how is that deceptive?
As I understand...it is not.
They understand differently.
Palin has an Israeli flag flying in her office. Does Joe Biden?
You're a strange one. You can't really believe we should have picked Lieberman over Palin. If you do, I would suggest a 12- step program.
Thats just grest “Jewish voters afraid of Palin” BUT CUDDLE UP AND WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND LOUIE FAHARAKAN’S BUDDY BARRACK H. OBAMA—and all the time I thoght Jewish people were intelligent
I don’t claim they aren’t sincere in their beliefs. The deception is telling Jews that belief in anything except a supreme, eternal, ephemeral G-d with no physical manifestation whatsoever (which is what belief in the Trinity is) is in line with Judaism. There are others here who could explain it with more acuity than I.
The early Christian church was almost exclusively Jewish, then began to include Jewish proselytes (who accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah), then, finally, after much debate, it was agreed that Gentiles (non-Jews) could join the church. So there is no contradiction between being Jewish and being Christian, it is just that many don’t understand today that there is a New Covenant that God has made with Abraham’s seed (Jews) that supercedes the Old Covenant. Many Jews rejected the New Covenant in Jesus’ day, but many accepted it. They also don’t understand that God changed Abram’s name to Abraham (meaning father of many nations) or the fact that Christians are also Abraham’s seed by faith: GAL 3:29 “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Thats just grest “Jewish voters afraid of Palin” BUT CUDDLE UP AND WRAP THEIR ARMS AROUND LOUIE FAHARAKAN’S BUDDY BARRACK H. OBAMA—and all the time I thoght Jewish people were intelligent
You know very well that there are Jews who on't like Jews for Jesus, and even the Israeli government makes it difficult for them to pursue their religious aims in Israel.
Frankly, people who think the representatives of Jews for Jesus are antisemitic are mentally unbalanced.
Okay so now the pastor question is back on the table. Obama cannot win this one. Let’s tar all the candidates with the opinions of their pastors of the last 20 years. Throwing under the bus not allowed.
American Jews always support the Democratic candidate in overwhelmingly numbers but Sarah will not hurt the Republican ticket among supporters of Israel. The Habad rabbi in Alaska has given her high praise, the Jewish woman governor of Hawaii has given her high praise, an Israeli filmmaker is in the news now making a documentary on her, and of course then there’s Lieberman.
Wexler trying to paint her as a Nazi sympathizer is a typical Democratic scumbag. They’ve accused her of everything in the last few days, without any basis except their blind hatred and lack of conscience, except standing on the grassy knoll.
bkmrk for later.
Any Christian should try to convert as many as possible to Christianity and that includes Jews. Of course this needs to be done in a tactful way.
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