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RUH ROH! Admission Obama holds Kenyan AND American citizenship...can you say ineligible??
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=22926 ^

Posted on 08/08/2008 10:35:38 AM PDT by dascallie

Posted Today, 11:35 AM Michelle M New Member = 100 Posts Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 94 Poster Rank: #345

(August 7, 2008) Things you might not know about Barack (Rocky Mtn News)- ObamaMentions Obama's Kenyan Citizenship! Gasp!!

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Can't imagine how they let this slip out, but watch the scrambling by the bots!!

Would love to know where they got this, even though they list their sources...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...ahoo_headlines

Entered Harvard Law School in 1988, was elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991.

Won two Grammys for Best Spoken Word Albums for an autobiography in 1995 "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" and his second book, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream," published in October 2006.

Mother Ann Dunham died of ovarian cancer in 1995. Father Barack Obama Sr. was killed in a car wreck in 1982.

Spent four years in his stepfather’s native country of Indonesia.

Is the fifth African-American senator in U.S. history

Is the first presidential candidate to come from Hawaii.

Favorite movies: "The Godfather" (Parts I and II) and "Lawrence of Arabia."

In his early years he was known as Barry.

According to his memoirs, he admitted using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in his youth.

His first name comes from the word that means "blessed by God" in Arabic.

At his wife's suggestion, he quit smoking before his campaign to win the Democratic nomination began.

Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.

(read more at link...)

Source: biography.com, Internet Movie Database, Atlanta Journal Constitution

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2008; birthcertificate; certifigate; colbaquiddic; dualcitizenship; elections; kenya; naturalization; nobama08; obama; obamacolb
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1 posted on 08/08/2008 10:35:39 AM PDT by dascallie
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To: dascallie

This Could be trouble for big O, “The One”.


2 posted on 08/08/2008 10:38:25 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: dascallie

I have dual citizenship (U.S. and Irish), but I am a natural-born American citizen.

Whether Obama is or is not a natural-born citizen hinges entirely on his having been born in Hawaii—and so far, he’s provided no evidence that he was.


3 posted on 08/08/2008 10:38:34 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: dascallie

Maybe this is what Hillary is waiting for? With this information, she’ll get the nomination ...


4 posted on 08/08/2008 10:39:04 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

or maybe Hillary already knew this information


5 posted on 08/08/2008 10:40:10 AM PDT by mouse1 (GO JOHNNY GO!!)
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To: dascallie
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Doesn't say anything about dual citizens not being eligible.

6 posted on 08/08/2008 10:40:32 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: dascallie
I am startig to understand those who say nothing in politics happens by accident.

Wouldn't a kerfluffel about his citizenship work to the benefit of clinton at the convention? (I do not think that dual citizenship would constitutionally make him ineligible for the presidency - if he was born in the USA)

7 posted on 08/08/2008 10:40:40 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Judges should interpret the law; not "spin" it to suit their beliefs)
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To: Arthur McGowan

He may be natural-born, but from what I understand the president cannot have dual-citizenship. That’s what would disqualify him.


8 posted on 08/08/2008 10:41:12 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: BlessedBeGod

I would be shocked if that was true although it would make sense.


9 posted on 08/08/2008 10:42:52 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Ken522

Hopefully, because she will lose without the Obamamaniacs.


10 posted on 08/08/2008 10:43:14 AM PDT by MattinNJ (I can't sit this election out. Obama must be stopped.)
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To: dascallie

“Section 90 of the Constitution of Kenya:
A Person born outside Kenya after 11th December, 1963 shall become a citizen of Kenya at the date of his/her birth if at that date his/her father was a citizen of Kenya”

He’s not a Kenyan citizen, unfortunately.

Now the birth certificate forgery, I’d like to see proof that the COLB is genuine. That’s something that should be explored.


11 posted on 08/08/2008 10:43:46 AM PDT by Zombie Lincoln (McCain/<conservative_placeholder> '08)
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To: BlessedBeGod
He may be natural-born, but from what I understand the president cannot have dual-citizenship. That’s what would disqualify him.

So if, say, North Korea decided to make John McCain a citizen to show their interest in making peace with the US, would that disqualify him?

Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship>

12 posted on 08/08/2008 10:44:11 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: BlessedBeGod

If Kenya requires a loyalty oath to become a citizen, Obama may have forfeited his US citizenship. I have always heard that you cannot have dual citizenship when the other country requires an oath of loyalty.


13 posted on 08/08/2008 10:45:19 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Right, but this seems to be based solely on the Kenyan constitution, not on anything he ever did himself.

I agree, stick with the birth certificate. Possible forgery trumps everything, including birthplace.


14 posted on 08/08/2008 10:47:02 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

Furthermore, if this rumor is true, it would make great campaign fodder even if he is still eligible to serve as President.


15 posted on 08/08/2008 10:47:25 AM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts soooo good!)
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To: MattinNJ

I think Hillary could win by picking up more independent voters. And women would flock to her, more reliable voters than Obamaniacs who might be too strung out on whatever they snort to get to the polls.


16 posted on 08/08/2008 10:47:30 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: teletech

“This could be big trouble [for O’Bama].”

You’re right. ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ sucks.


17 posted on 08/08/2008 10:47:44 AM PDT by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth amendments?)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Remember there was that same issue with Kerry and the question that he also held French citizenship? Nothing much came of it, but a lot was said. I hope, this time, if this is true, there is a lot of attention to this. You cannot proclaim allegiance to the flag of one country and swear to protect it, if you are also a citizen of another. Come to think of it, now we have a clue of why Obama didn’t wear a flag lapel pin, put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem was played, and does not regularly have the Pledge of Allegiance said at his campaigns (until someone complains!).


18 posted on 08/08/2008 10:47:58 AM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Weren’t the first Presidents citizens of both England and the United States?


19 posted on 08/08/2008 10:48:07 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: John Galt's cousin

Maybe, maybe not constitutionally but make no mistake, it would cost him the presidency if it is true.


20 posted on 08/08/2008 10:48:21 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: BlessedBeGod

Yes, but what exactly is the claim that a president can’t have dual citizenship based on? I’m not even sure that at the time of the Constitution definitions of ‘natural born’ would have precluded that. Now, you could argue that a President shouldn’t have dual citizenship or that voters wouldn’t elect someone as President knowing that about him.

Even if the pressure got too great and it were known that ‘Bama has split loyalties—to Kenya an/or Indonesia—could he not renounce the other citizenship(s) before taking the oath of office?

Given the murkiness of the law and the media’s support of Obama, I can’t see another practical outcome.


21 posted on 08/08/2008 10:48:28 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: BlessedBeGod
He may be natural-born, but from what I understand the president cannot have dual-citizenship. That’s what would disqualify him.

Article II says nothing about dual citizenship. I think the broader argument would be, are Americans interested in a candidate who holds dual citizenship?

22 posted on 08/08/2008 10:48:49 AM PDT by bcsco (Obama: SPINciple in chief!)
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To: dascallie
Kenya doesn't recognize dual citizenship. Unless Obama renounced his U.S. citizenship on his 21st birthday then his Kenyan citizenship lapsed in 1982.

Kenya Constiution, Chapter 6

23 posted on 08/08/2008 10:49:15 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: BlessedBeGod
He may be natural-born, but from what I understand the president cannot have dual-citizenship. That’s what would disqualify him.

You understand incorrectly.

24 posted on 08/08/2008 10:50:17 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Natchez Hawk
You’re right. ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ sucks.

That about sums it up!

25 posted on 08/08/2008 10:50:47 AM PDT by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: dascallie
This is a mockery of US citizenship. To become a naturalized US citizenship, you need to take an oath that begins as follows:

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;

So what is the point of this if you can make new allegiances after you are a US citizen? Can someone renounce their old citizenship and then go back and regain that same citizenship they just renounced a week later?

26 posted on 08/08/2008 10:51:07 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: Bobkk47
Article 2, section 1, part 4.
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.Section 2 link
27 posted on 08/08/2008 10:51:47 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Non-Sequitur; BlessedBeGod
You understand incorrectly.

Then I'll ask you the same question I asked BlessedBeGod.

If, say, North Korea decided to make John McCain a citizen to show their interest in making peace with the US, would that disqualify him?

Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship?

28 posted on 08/08/2008 10:53:10 AM PDT by libravoter (Live from the People's Republic of Cambridge)
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To: dascallie
The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9:

No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

Does foreign citizen count?

29 posted on 08/08/2008 10:54:09 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: dascallie

I don’t believe the constitution prohibits someone from running for President if they have dual citizenship. If someone has information to the contrary, I’d be interested.


30 posted on 08/08/2008 10:55:40 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: Oratam

I would say “very likely”.


31 posted on 08/08/2008 10:57:11 AM PDT by mkjessup
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To: libravoter
If, say, North Korea decided to make John McCain a citizen to show their interest in making peace with the US, would that disqualify him?

No.

Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship?

That would depend on the age and circumstances, wouldn't it? An adult would be expected to be a part of the process. A child would not.

32 posted on 08/08/2008 10:57:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Truth is a Weapon
If Kenya requires a loyalty oath to become a citizen, Obama may have forfeited his US citizenship. I have always heard that you cannot have dual citizenship when the other country requires an oath of loyalty.

Not true, dual citizenship is not a function of the US, rather the other country involved. Panama could make John McCain a dual citizen by granting citizenship to anyone born with their borders. It's their call.

In Obama's case, his Keynan citizenship would be an accident of partenage and Keynan law, I seriously doubt he ever took an oath. If he did, to Keyna or Indonesia, that would be a serious issue, but that wouldn't strip him of his US citizenship. That requires a formal request made to the State Dept, usually through a local Embassy, and it often isn't granted as one of the frequent reasons is to avoid some sort of criminal liability in the US. In the 60s and early 70s we wouldn't accept petitions from draft dodgers in Canada, since it would give them a pass on their crime. Which we gave them later.

In Barry's case, if he want's to give up his citizenship to become a citizen of the World, it's fine with me, but I doubt he will.

33 posted on 08/08/2008 10:58:32 AM PDT by SJackson (Sell San Francisco to China to finance Obama health care, Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Someone, I think it was Cap’n Ed Morrissey over at hotair.com, posted a birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper, stating that a male infant had been born to Obama’s parents back in 1961 (or whenever the One was born). I think that this attack on the One’s citizenship, or lack thereof, will prove fruitless and actually counterproductive.


34 posted on 08/08/2008 10:59:28 AM PDT by bagman
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To: Oratam
Does foreign citizen count?

Only if he was holding any office of profit or trust at the time it was granted.

35 posted on 08/08/2008 10:59:42 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: MattinNJ

Yes, it would indeed be messy.


36 posted on 08/08/2008 10:59:51 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Non-Sequitur

There you go confusing us with the facts.

Its so much more fun to post like our hair is on fire.

If we can’t defeat this guy for no other reason then that he is a vastly unqualified extreme leftist, we don’t deserve to win.


37 posted on 08/08/2008 11:00:02 AM PDT by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Doesn't say anything about dual citizens not being eligible.

I found it interesting when The Stain® was asked if he thought Bronco Bomber was qualified to be President ... he replied that the Constitution determines who is qualified.

38 posted on 08/08/2008 11:06:53 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Privatizing profits and socializing losses is no way to run an economy)
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To: SJackson
Not true, dual citizenship is not a function of the US, rather the other country involved. Panama could make John McCain a dual citizen by granting citizenship to anyone born with their borders. It's their call.

He could renounce it just as naturalized citizens need to do by oath. A failure to renounce all loyalties except to the US should be grounds for revocation of the US citizenship. Otherwise the Constitutionally created oath of citizenship by naturalization is illogical.

39 posted on 08/08/2008 11:10:52 AM PDT by Perchant
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To: SJackson

I’ve had two Canadian friends recently become US citizens. The US did not require them to give up their Canadian citizenship. They actually wanted to, and were prepared to renounce their Canadian citizenship, but it was totally unnecessary, and no one in immigration (or whatever the department is) even wanted to deal with them on that issue. So they’re dual citizens now. I think that’s strange, and I wonder if it’s like that for most countries, or if Canada is more of an exception to the rule.


40 posted on 08/08/2008 11:14:31 AM PDT by Crystal Cove
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To: Non-Sequitur
Kenya doesn't recognize dual citizenship. Unless Obama renounced his U.S. citizenship on his 21st birthday then his Kenyan citizenship lapsed in 1982.

That applies to births to Kenyan citzens outside the country after 1963. I haven't a clue what the law is for a 1961 birth, though it's not really much of an issue.

41 posted on 08/08/2008 11:15:25 AM PDT by SJackson (Sell San Francisco to China to finance Obama health care, Bill O'Reilly)
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To: bagman
I think that this attack on the One’s citizenship, or lack thereof, will prove fruitless and actually counterproductive.

Oh, don't worry. Finding counterproductive things to attack Obama over is a daily occurrence here.

42 posted on 08/08/2008 11:15:50 AM PDT by gdani (Polls show half the country can't name the Vice President.......)
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To: Crystal Cove

That’s common, their Canadian citizenship is governed by Canada, who may or may not let them give it up. But they’d be dealing with Canada, not the US. My guess they would, but many countries won’t or will do so only limited circumstances due to things like mandatory military service. Cuba doen’t recognize dual citizenship, as far as they’re concerned any American citizen born in Cuba is Cuban, period. Forever.


43 posted on 08/08/2008 11:19:27 AM PDT by SJackson (Sell San Francisco to China to finance Obama health care, Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Bobkk47

the natural born requirements didn’t apply to those who were alive when the constitution was adopted which addresses your issue about the early presidents.


44 posted on 08/08/2008 11:20:31 AM PDT by palomonte
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To: Perchant
He could renounce it just as naturalized citizens need to do by oath. A failure to renounce all loyalties except to the US should be grounds for revocation of the US citizenship. Otherwise the Constitutionally created oath of citizenship by naturalization is illogical.

No he can't, that's Panama's decision.

As I noted in my last post Cuba will not accept renunciation of citizenship. Should we strip naturalized Cubans of their US citizenship.

Like it or not the United States cannot revoke citizenship on behalf of another country. The fact that naturalized citizens renounce all other loyalties (that's the first issue addressed in the oath, all naturalized citizens have done it) has no impact on the laws of another country.

45 posted on 08/08/2008 11:24:37 AM PDT by SJackson (Sell San Francisco to China to finance Obama health care, Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Perchant

Having just read Kenya’s rule for citizenship, if one wants to become a citizen of Kenya, that person must renounce their allegience to the country they left. I don’t think nobama has a dual citizenship with Kenya.


46 posted on 08/08/2008 11:24:38 AM PDT by tillacum (Americans for Americans and American Values.....Vote McCain)
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To: teletech

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#recog

Are there any disadvantages to dual US/other citizenship?
Aside from the possibility that one or the other country might decide to impose distasteful restrictions on you because they consider you to be one of their citizens, there are at least two issues that you might (or might not) see as causes for concern.

If your line of work requires you to have a security clearance for accessing classified US government information, you may very possibly find that actively acquiring or retaining a foreign citizenship may cause you to be refused clearance (or may cause a clearance you already have to be revoked). If this might affect you, you would be well advised to consult with a knowledgeable lawyer.

If you are seriously planning to seek a political office in the US — especially in the federal government — it is extremely possible that having a second citizenship may be a serious liability. Your opponent will almost certainly be sorely tempted to (mis)represent your status for his/her own political gain — questioning your loyalty to the US and your suitability for office — and any efforts on your part to explain or justify your situation are likely to fall on deaf ears. This is less likely to be an issue if you are running for a state or local office.


47 posted on 08/08/2008 11:25:26 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
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To: SJackson
That applies to births to Kenyan citzens outside the country after 1963. I haven't a clue what the law is for a 1961 birth, though it's not really much of an issue.

That would apply to anyone holding dual citizenship. Per an earlier section in Chapter 6, that would include Obama.

"Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963."

48 posted on 08/08/2008 11:25:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: dascallie
Hi!.....My name is Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.........FR
49 posted on 08/08/2008 11:31:04 AM PDT by GitmoSailor (AZ Cold War Veteran==Keep FR free donate today==NOBAMA==FairnessDoctrine on FR????)
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To: Oratam
Does foreign citizen count?

Nope.

Foreign citizenship is not an office, present, emolument or title.

50 posted on 08/08/2008 11:32:26 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Democratic Underground: Ever wonder where all those who took the brown acid at Woodstock wound up?)
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