Posted on 08/08/2008 10:35:38 AM PDT by dascallie
Posted Today, 11:35 AM Michelle M New Member = 100 Posts Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 94 Poster Rank: #345
(August 7, 2008) Things you might not know about Barack (Rocky Mtn News)- ObamaMentions Obama's Kenyan Citizenship! Gasp!!
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Can't imagine how they let this slip out, but watch the scrambling by the bots!!
Would love to know where they got this, even though they list their sources...
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...ahoo_headlines
Entered Harvard Law School in 1988, was elected the first African–American editor of the Harvard Law Review. He graduated magna cum laude in 1991.
Won two Grammys for Best Spoken Word Albums for an autobiography in 1995 "Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" and his second book, "The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream," published in October 2006.
Mother Ann Dunham died of ovarian cancer in 1995. Father Barack Obama Sr. was killed in a car wreck in 1982.
Spent four years in his stepfather’s native country of Indonesia.
Is the fifth African-American senator in U.S. history
Is the first presidential candidate to come from Hawaii.
Favorite movies: "The Godfather" (Parts I and II) and "Lawrence of Arabia."
In his early years he was known as Barry.
According to his memoirs, he admitted using alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in his youth.
His first name comes from the word that means "blessed by God" in Arabic.
At his wife's suggestion, he quit smoking before his campaign to win the Democratic nomination began.
Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.
(read more at link...)
Source: biography.com, Internet Movie Database, Atlanta Journal Constitution
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This Could be trouble for big O, “The One”.
I have dual citizenship (U.S. and Irish), but I am a natural-born American citizen.
Whether Obama is or is not a natural-born citizen hinges entirely on his having been born in Hawaii—and so far, he’s provided no evidence that he was.
Maybe this is what Hillary is waiting for? With this information, she’ll get the nomination ...
or maybe Hillary already knew this information
Doesn't say anything about dual citizens not being eligible.
Wouldn't a kerfluffel about his citizenship work to the benefit of clinton at the convention? (I do not think that dual citizenship would constitutionally make him ineligible for the presidency - if he was born in the USA)
He may be natural-born, but from what I understand the president cannot have dual-citizenship. That’s what would disqualify him.
I would be shocked if that was true although it would make sense.
Hopefully, because she will lose without the Obamamaniacs.
“Section 90 of the Constitution of Kenya:
A Person born outside Kenya after 11th December, 1963 shall become a citizen of Kenya at the date of his/her birth if at that date his/her father was a citizen of Kenya”
He’s not a Kenyan citizen, unfortunately.
Now the birth certificate forgery, I’d like to see proof that the COLB is genuine. That’s something that should be explored.
So if, say, North Korea decided to make John McCain a citizen to show their interest in making peace with the US, would that disqualify him?
Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship>
If Kenya requires a loyalty oath to become a citizen, Obama may have forfeited his US citizenship. I have always heard that you cannot have dual citizenship when the other country requires an oath of loyalty.
Right, but this seems to be based solely on the Kenyan constitution, not on anything he ever did himself.
I agree, stick with the birth certificate. Possible forgery trumps everything, including birthplace.
Furthermore, if this rumor is true, it would make great campaign fodder even if he is still eligible to serve as President.
I think Hillary could win by picking up more independent voters. And women would flock to her, more reliable voters than Obamaniacs who might be too strung out on whatever they snort to get to the polls.
“This could be big trouble [for O’Bama].”
You’re right. ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ sucks.
Remember there was that same issue with Kerry and the question that he also held French citizenship? Nothing much came of it, but a lot was said. I hope, this time, if this is true, there is a lot of attention to this. You cannot proclaim allegiance to the flag of one country and swear to protect it, if you are also a citizen of another. Come to think of it, now we have a clue of why Obama didn’t wear a flag lapel pin, put his hand over his heart when the National Anthem was played, and does not regularly have the Pledge of Allegiance said at his campaigns (until someone complains!).
Weren’t the first Presidents citizens of both England and the United States?
Maybe, maybe not constitutionally but make no mistake, it would cost him the presidency if it is true.
Yes, but what exactly is the claim that a president can’t have dual citizenship based on? I’m not even sure that at the time of the Constitution definitions of ‘natural born’ would have precluded that. Now, you could argue that a President shouldn’t have dual citizenship or that voters wouldn’t elect someone as President knowing that about him.
Even if the pressure got too great and it were known that ‘Bama has split loyalties—to Kenya an/or Indonesia—could he not renounce the other citizenship(s) before taking the oath of office?
Given the murkiness of the law and the media’s support of Obama, I can’t see another practical outcome.
Article II says nothing about dual citizenship. I think the broader argument would be, are Americans interested in a candidate who holds dual citizenship?
You understand incorrectly.
That about sums it up!
I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;
So what is the point of this if you can make new allegiances after you are a US citizen? Can someone renounce their old citizenship and then go back and regain that same citizenship they just renounced a week later?
Then I'll ask you the same question I asked BlessedBeGod.
If, say, North Korea decided to make John McCain a citizen to show their interest in making peace with the US, would that disqualify him?
Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship?
No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.
Does foreign citizen count?
I don’t believe the constitution prohibits someone from running for President if they have dual citizenship. If someone has information to the contrary, I’d be interested.
I would say “very likely”.
No.
Shouldn't the person have to -do- something to acknowledge/accept the citizenship?
That would depend on the age and circumstances, wouldn't it? An adult would be expected to be a part of the process. A child would not.
Not true, dual citizenship is not a function of the US, rather the other country involved. Panama could make John McCain a dual citizen by granting citizenship to anyone born with their borders. It's their call.
In Obama's case, his Keynan citizenship would be an accident of partenage and Keynan law, I seriously doubt he ever took an oath. If he did, to Keyna or Indonesia, that would be a serious issue, but that wouldn't strip him of his US citizenship. That requires a formal request made to the State Dept, usually through a local Embassy, and it often isn't granted as one of the frequent reasons is to avoid some sort of criminal liability in the US. In the 60s and early 70s we wouldn't accept petitions from draft dodgers in Canada, since it would give them a pass on their crime. Which we gave them later.
In Barry's case, if he want's to give up his citizenship to become a citizen of the World, it's fine with me, but I doubt he will.
Someone, I think it was Cap’n Ed Morrissey over at hotair.com, posted a birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper, stating that a male infant had been born to Obama’s parents back in 1961 (or whenever the One was born). I think that this attack on the One’s citizenship, or lack thereof, will prove fruitless and actually counterproductive.
Only if he was holding any office of profit or trust at the time it was granted.
Yes, it would indeed be messy.
There you go confusing us with the facts.
Its so much more fun to post like our hair is on fire.
If we can’t defeat this guy for no other reason then that he is a vastly unqualified extreme leftist, we don’t deserve to win.
I found it interesting when The Stain® was asked if he thought Bronco Bomber was qualified to be President ... he replied that the Constitution determines who is qualified.
He could renounce it just as naturalized citizens need to do by oath. A failure to renounce all loyalties except to the US should be grounds for revocation of the US citizenship. Otherwise the Constitutionally created oath of citizenship by naturalization is illogical.
I’ve had two Canadian friends recently become US citizens. The US did not require them to give up their Canadian citizenship. They actually wanted to, and were prepared to renounce their Canadian citizenship, but it was totally unnecessary, and no one in immigration (or whatever the department is) even wanted to deal with them on that issue. So they’re dual citizens now. I think that’s strange, and I wonder if it’s like that for most countries, or if Canada is more of an exception to the rule.
That applies to births to Kenyan citzens outside the country after 1963. I haven't a clue what the law is for a 1961 birth, though it's not really much of an issue.
Oh, don't worry. Finding counterproductive things to attack Obama over is a daily occurrence here.
That’s common, their Canadian citizenship is governed by Canada, who may or may not let them give it up. But they’d be dealing with Canada, not the US. My guess they would, but many countries won’t or will do so only limited circumstances due to things like mandatory military service. Cuba doen’t recognize dual citizenship, as far as they’re concerned any American citizen born in Cuba is Cuban, period. Forever.
the natural born requirements didn’t apply to those who were alive when the constitution was adopted which addresses your issue about the early presidents.
No he can't, that's Panama's decision.
As I noted in my last post Cuba will not accept renunciation of citizenship. Should we strip naturalized Cubans of their US citizenship.
Like it or not the United States cannot revoke citizenship on behalf of another country. The fact that naturalized citizens renounce all other loyalties (that's the first issue addressed in the oath, all naturalized citizens have done it) has no impact on the laws of another country.
Having just read Kenya’s rule for citizenship, if one wants to become a citizen of Kenya, that person must renounce their allegience to the country they left. I don’t think nobama has a dual citizenship with Kenya.
http://www.richw.org/dualcit/faq.html#recog
Are there any disadvantages to dual US/other citizenship?
Aside from the possibility that one or the other country might decide to impose distasteful restrictions on you because they consider you to be one of their citizens, there are at least two issues that you might (or might not) see as causes for concern.
If your line of work requires you to have a security clearance for accessing classified US government information, you may very possibly find that actively acquiring or retaining a foreign citizenship may cause you to be refused clearance (or may cause a clearance you already have to be revoked). If this might affect you, you would be well advised to consult with a knowledgeable lawyer.
If you are seriously planning to seek a political office in the US — especially in the federal government — it is extremely possible that having a second citizenship may be a serious liability. Your opponent will almost certainly be sorely tempted to (mis)represent your status for his/her own political gain — questioning your loyalty to the US and your suitability for office — and any efforts on your part to explain or justify your situation are likely to fall on deaf ears. This is less likely to be an issue if you are running for a state or local office.
That would apply to anyone holding dual citizenship. Per an earlier section in Chapter 6, that would include Obama.
"Every person who, having been born outside Kenya. is on llth December, 1963 a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or a British protected person shall. if his father becomes. or would but for his death have become, a citizen of Kenya by virtue of subsection (1). become a citizen of Kenya on 12th December. 1963."
Foreign citizenship is not an office, present, emolument or title.
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