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The South Will Fall Again
NY Slimes ^ | July 1, 2008 | Thomas F. Schaller

Posted on 07/01/2008 9:47:52 AM PDT by Signalman

THE interim between the primaries and the parties’ nominating conventions is, according to ancient writ, a fertile period for presidential campaigns to talk about how they plan to expand the political map in the fall. This year is no different. Barack Obama’s strategists are suggesting that the first African-American presidential nominee of a major political party can parlay increased turnout among black voters into a string of victories in the South.

Given that roughly half of all African-Americans live in the 11 former Confederate states, the idea seems intuitive enough. It’s also wrong. Prying Southern electoral votes away from the Republicans is not so simple.

Two pervasive and persistent myths about racial voting in the modern South are behind the notion that Mr. Obama might win in places like Georgia, North Carolina and Mississippi.

The first myth is that African-American turnout in the South is low. Black voters are actually well represented in the Southern electorate: In the 11 states of the former Confederacy, African-Americans were 17.9 percent of the age-eligible population and 17.9 percent of actual voters in 2004, analysis of Census Bureau data shows.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arkansas; US: Louisiana; US: South Carolina; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 2008; alreadyposted; blackvote; electionpresident; obama; south; southernvote
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Obama will not win the South (According to this article).
1 posted on 07/01/2008 9:47:52 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

Well, some polls show he is close in Virginia. But there’s no way he’s close at all in South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas. Some Dems. are optimistic about him having a shot in Florida or North Carolina, but they are long shots.


2 posted on 07/01/2008 9:50:26 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; snuffy smiff; slow5poh; EdReform; TheZMan; Texas Mulerider; Oorang; ...

Dixie Ping


3 posted on 07/01/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Bobkk47

Lil Tommy and the NY Slimes are so out of touch.

Obamie won’t win the South because there are so many racist Dems mucking things up for him.


4 posted on 07/01/2008 9:54:13 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: subterfuge
The real eye-opener for Obama and the press may be the racist Democrats in states like New Jersey, New York, and Massachusetts.
5 posted on 07/01/2008 9:55:47 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: Dilbert San Diego

From what I’m overhearing, if he wins in Tn. then I’ll kiss Clinton’s ass for Obama.


6 posted on 07/01/2008 9:56:14 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Bobkk47

Socialism Will Fall Again


7 posted on 07/01/2008 9:58:50 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("Facts are stubborn things." –Ronald Reagan)
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To: Bobkk47
Obama will not win the South

Obama will not win any southern states.   

8 posted on 07/01/2008 10:03:06 AM PDT by 1035rep
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If Obambi’s views on national defense are properly communicated to Virginians, he is TOAST.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs&feature=related

Virginia has a big military population. This kind of kumbaya-ism should have limited appeal even in the People’s Republic of Northern Virginia.


9 posted on 07/01/2008 10:03:41 AM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Intrade switched Virginia to leaning Dem in their last update. We’ll see.


10 posted on 07/01/2008 10:04:56 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite

Another thing: once the NRA exposes Obama’s voting record on the 2nd amendment, he won’t play nearly as well in VA.


11 posted on 07/01/2008 10:06:48 AM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: Bobkk47

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2039099/posts


12 posted on 07/01/2008 10:08:12 AM PDT by Perdogg
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Don’t even try in Louisiana. We busy recalling legislators who voted themselves a 200% pay increase and most of the population of New Orleans East and the 9th Ward are visiting relatives. So the sure thing that could have been, isn’t!


13 posted on 07/01/2008 10:39:57 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: Bobkk47

“It’s also wrong.” even a stopped clock....


14 posted on 07/01/2008 11:43:40 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Thanks for the ping SB.


15 posted on 07/01/2008 11:48:39 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: Bobkk47

Obama has a decent shot at Virginia with a 20% African American population and a good number of transplanted, leftist yankees. Probably a lesser, but still a solid shot at North Carolina with a 21% African American population, Chapel Hill whackos, and another good number of transplanted, leftist yankees. Georgia may also be in the running with around a 29% African American population and the same issues with VA and NC. The Latino vote, legal or illegal, may also be a factor in NC and GA. I look for pervasive voter fraud in minority precincts.


16 posted on 07/01/2008 12:01:23 PM PDT by MBB1984
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It's a sound analysis, and pretty convincing. I don't see any obvious holes in it.

The conclusion: Obama has a shot in Virginia, but he might as well write off the rest of the South.

17 posted on 07/01/2008 12:27:13 PM PDT by curiosity
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Virgina sounds like it's resembles Ohio , west Virginia ,
Pennsylvania. all those state he got blown out by Hillary
by so of the biggest margins ever seen. It was because he lost the white vote big time. Nothing has changed since then. obama hasn't done anything to bring the white vote in.
18 posted on 07/01/2008 1:02:49 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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Virgina sounds like it's resembles Ohio , west Virginia , Pennsylvania.

No, I think it is quite different. First it has a larger black demographic. Second, the composition of the white demographic is also very different. Virginia has lots more middle-income suburbanite Northeastern transplants, mostly living just outside DC, than any of the states you mention. In addition, Appalacian types, rust belt working stiffs, and other types of Reagan Democrats are much fewer in number in Virginia. All of these factors make it a lot more likely to swing to Obama.

There's a reason he beat Hillary in Virginia.

He's got an outside shot at beating McCain there, too.

19 posted on 07/01/2008 1:26:59 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Bobkk47

Obama will not even win VA.


20 posted on 07/01/2008 1:31:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (these are dark days politically)
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