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Britain should get rid of the monarchy, says UN
UK Telegraph ^ | 06/13/2008 | Nick Allen

Posted on 06/13/2008 12:26:51 PM PDT by C19fan

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To: Thinkin
Also it is part of the unwritten Constitution which protects our rights and is wound into our government and how it operates. Though ceremonial it still has an important role in our State affairs.

Did you know that all unmarked Swans are property of the crown? Many in Britain do not even know that.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4952.asp

On a more serious note this is a good website for information of what the Royal family actually do rather than myth.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page6.asp

The 2 young princes I believe had quite a bit of input into this site making it relevant to the younger people of the UK including a You-tube section

Here is more information on the role of the British monarchy and how our unwritten Constitution works.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4682.asp

61 posted on 06/14/2008 4:00:53 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Dr. Sivana
You say that in jest but I challenge many to find better food than you can in Britain. The wide choice we have and quality of the food is second to none.

How you cook it is down to you but I am certain if you tasted some on mine and my friend freshly prepared dishes you might not knock our food so much.

After all what is there not to like about a freshly grilled (broiled) piece of meat served with seasonal vegetables accompanied by some form of sauce or gravy if so you wish.

Followed of course by a traditional English pudding or dessert which we have influenced the world with such as Apple Pie, baked cheese cake etc many such dishes have been adapted by other countries including the US into your own unique desserts.

62 posted on 06/14/2008 4:05:38 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: PRO 1

What do you mean getting rid of the pound we still have the pound.


63 posted on 06/14/2008 4:07:01 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: dfwgator
Again I fed up with the constant knocking of our dental care. What is it with some of you just because until recent years not all our children wear braces which now we seem to have caught the American disease with.

Also you seem to go for over white large and unnatural looking capped teeth give me a slight off white set of teeth uncapped any day, yes I do have a couple of capped teeth but not at the front.

May I suggest that a lot of your dental work is unnecessary and is only to line the pockets of dentists. Unfortunately it is catching on here one aspect of the dentists withdrawing from the NHS that I believe in fact is not beneficial as they persuade you to join their insurance scheme and get this and that treatment done. On the other hand if you go private you can get an appointment at the time of your convenience you just have to be firm and make sure they do not persuade you to have work done you do not want or need.

64 posted on 06/14/2008 4:14:43 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Churchillspirit; SevenofNine
Knowing seven pretty well I suspect that comment was very tongue in cheek.
65 posted on 06/14/2008 4:16:34 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: C19fan

Your Monty Python of the day....

ARTHUR: Well, I am King!

DENNIS: Oh, King, eh, very nice. And how d’you get that, eh? By exploiting the workers! By ‘anging on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. If there’s ever going to be any progress with the—

WOMAN: Dennis, there’s some lovely filth down here. Oh! How d’you do?

ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady? I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who’s castle is that?

WOMAN: King of the who?

ARTHUR: The Britons.

WOMAN:Who are the Britons?

ARTHUR:Well, we all are. We are all Britons, and I am your king.

WOMAN:I didn’t know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

DENNIS: You’re fooling yourself. We’re living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes—

WOMAN:Oh, there you go bringing class into it again.


66 posted on 06/14/2008 4:17:28 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: John Leland 1789

You might find this website interesting it gives info on the Royal family and their unique role within our system.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4682.asp


67 posted on 06/14/2008 4:20:00 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs

Thank you. I will have a look. I’ve never been to the UK. I hope to before I get too old. I don’t know if you are English or other, but I have some heritage up in Scotland on my mother’s side. I don’t know where the names stem from actually, they are Dabneys and Lowes.


68 posted on 06/14/2008 4:32:29 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

I am English but have visited Scotland a couple of times and would love to spend a new year there at some time.


69 posted on 06/14/2008 5:09:55 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: C19fan

The UN was supposed to help nations work with each other to make decisions external to their nations, instead, the UN is trying to tell nations how to run their internal affairs.


70 posted on 06/14/2008 5:10:09 AM PDT by CodeToad
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To: snugs
Ever been to Ulster? I'd love to spend a week over there, too. I have missionary friends there, and a Chinese couple from our church is there now doing research or something at Queens University, Belfast. I get a CD monthly of the music and sermons from a certain well-known Presbyterian church there, that I won't name yet, ‘cause I'm not in the mood to put on my asbestos jammies. Oh, who cares?! I get it from Martyrs Presbyterian, where Mr. Paisely is the pastor.
71 posted on 06/14/2008 5:17:47 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: snugs

Dear Snugs,

I appreciate your spirited defense of England’s cuisine and other aspects of your great people.

While I am sure that there is well-prepared British food, you are well-known for over-cooking and boiling the heck out of your meats. Of course your dairy food has an excellent reputation, as do your breakfasts and treats served with tea.

That said, people don’t go to England for British cuisine. The British, like the Americans, have never been shy about importing, adapting or borrowing good things from other peoples for their own use. But you will not see to many places where the people going out say, “What will it be? How about some good steak and kidney pie?” While I don’t doubt Tuppy Glossop’s taste on these matters, it just isn’t what comes naturally to people.

On another thread (having to do with tea bags) I mocked the many American restaurants that don’t even have real butter on the premises. Then again, American food is not known for being incredibly sophisticated (though the Americanized apizza in New Haven, and properly done ribs and chicken in south Chicago are wonderful experiences not easily matched.)

Like so many Americans, I have a substantial amount of English in me, but since the rest is Polish, German and Irish, maybe I should stay off the topic of food altogether!


72 posted on 06/14/2008 5:18:25 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No, this shows why the UN is DANGEROUS.


73 posted on 06/14/2008 5:18:44 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I’ve never understood how having a written constituion or the monarchy are mutually exclusive.

Can anyone shed light?


74 posted on 06/14/2008 5:40:16 AM PDT by Stand W (Fetchez La Vache!)
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To: John Leland 1789

Don’t worry you will not get any problems from me regarding the Reverend my mother (when she was alive) and my father often went to London to hear him speak and dad has several tapes and books from the Martyrs Memorial Church.

No I have not been to NI but would love to and am looking forward to the photos of the President in Belfast on Sunday which in fact I will be hosting the dose Sunday if you like I will ping the photos to you.


75 posted on 06/14/2008 6:19:53 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Dr. Sivana
I have never eaten boiled meat in my life apart from chicken which in fact boils well and retains the taste and is very tender. My father's doctor suggested it for health reasons and I often do this now especially if I want to use chicken in a dish and need cooked meat.

I think there was a very short period in history when probably Britain did boil a lot of its food and yes I agree vegetables over the years we have tended to boil the guts out of it. This however is very much in the past and most people under 50 only lightly boil or steam veg nowadays. I think that maybe the boiled thing came from the day when the only way for a family to have a cooked meal was for it to be put on in the morning before the mother or elder daughter left for work or school. My own grandmother used to have to go home at break-time to put the peas on. I think a fallacy has grown that ordinary working families in the past were the father only working at most times in history the lower working class always had to work mother, father and often children whether it be from home taking in washing, ironing etc or actually going out to work it has only been brief periods of great prosperity such as the 50s in Britain where the majority of housewives did not need to do some kind of work. With modern appliances etc it means that food though now can be prepared in such as way that a meal can be dished up fairly quickly without having to have it simmering all day.

Actually there are a lot of Brits that actually do go out for steak and kidney pie and many restaurants have started to serve traditional British food such as this along with our famous sticky puddings but unfortunately in healthy eating and more international way of cooking and tastes traditional pastry dishes are something that many Brits do not even know how to make.

Believe it or not many of my friends would not even know how to make pastry.

I agree that like America our day to day food eaten both in our homes and restaurants are imports and adapted recipes from around the world and in some ways with slight regional variations you could be in France, Germany, the US or Australia and eat very similar food prepared very similar.

76 posted on 06/14/2008 6:31:17 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: Stand W
This website might give you some background on this

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page4682.asp

It is not exactly mutually exclusive but many Royalists did not like the Magna Carter and felt in fact that far from giving ordinary people more rights it took some away.

Modern feelings and supporters of the Magna Carter however feel differently and in fact the Conservative Party are using the Magna Carter as an argument for human rights and anti the Government proposed bill for allowing people to be held for 42 days without any form of charge under the pretext of Terrorism. A clever ploy by the Brown Government to get the Tories to fight them on this and appear to be less strong on the WOT etc.

I believe they are hoping by this to turn the ordinary people away from the Tories where over the last few months they have been migrating and back to Labour by saying that Labour will protect them more by this law.

77 posted on 06/14/2008 6:40:48 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: snugs

In the news it was proposed that England trade the pound for the Euro. It was part of the proposal, that thankfully, Brits rejected.

In general I’m tweeking the same kind of unification crap happening in Europe that is going on here. I don’t want you mad. I WANT YOU GOOD AND MAD.

Aside from our squable a couple hundred years ago, England has a rich history and heritage ready to be flushed down the comode if you guys let it happen.

We have enough problems dealing with the same freaks in the new world without then seeing our homies across the pond sell out as well.


78 posted on 06/14/2008 10:25:57 AM PDT by PRO 1 (POX on posters who's political bent causes them to refuse to be confused by the FACTS!!!!!!)
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To: C19fan
New Rule: Envoys of countries with unpaid New York City traffic and parking violations should STFU.
79 posted on 06/14/2008 11:59:38 AM PDT by Darth Republican (Soon we must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy.)
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To: Stand W

A nation can have both a written constitution and a monarchy - Australia does with basically the same monarchy in place. But the question is, whether a written constitution serves any necessary purpose - and whether it might have negative consequences.

For example, let’s look at the issue of civil rights. For the most part, the UK (and Australia, for that matter) is among the freest nations on Earth, with a wide variety of rights guaranteed under common law (part of the unwritten constitution). It’s not perfect (gun rights being a commonly cited example of this) but it is pretty good. Would seeking to write down these rights improve matters - or simply fix in place current prejudices for all time?

Then there is the issue that Britain’s unwritten Constitution (and some parts of the written documents that form part of it) also impacts other nations. Writing down a British consitution could effect a lot more than just the UK.

One example - the Statute of Westminster of 1931 - in many ways, the document that changed the Empire to the Commonwealth. This is now part of the constitutional law of the United Kingdom and the Dominions (Australia, Canada, and New Zealand - and arguably another dozen Commonwealth Realms as well). It has had effects on the Dominions - for example, in the case of Australia, it prevented the secession of the state of Western Australia in 1933. It also meant that the British government failed in its attempts to resolve the Abdication Crisis in 1936, because potential solutions were unacceptable to the Dominions (at that time, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, the Irish Free State, and Newfoundland) and the Statute required their consent.

In other words writing down part of the Constitution meant the UK had to cede some authority over the Monarchy to others. It gave the Dominions equal status in law, which was good for them... but was it good for Britain?

It makes it all very complicated.


80 posted on 06/15/2008 4:42:08 AM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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