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Why a Texas Appellate Court Seriously Erred
FindLaw ^ | May 29, 2008 | Marci Hamilton

Posted on 05/29/2008 9:43:07 AM PDT by MizSterious

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To: JBCiejka

I’m curious if flds members have social security numbers. Can you just not have one?

susie


61 posted on 05/29/2008 1:26:49 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: JBCiejka

The 38 mothers are the moms who appealed the case to the 3rd Appellate Court, represented by TX Rio Grand Legal Aid.
(In addition, there are 3 more mothers, represented by Northern TX Legal Aid) who also appealed.
The TOTAL number of mothers is something like 140.
The number of kids taken has varied, as many disputed minors have now been deemed to be adults.


62 posted on 05/29/2008 1:30:41 PM PDT by firefly2
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To: mouser

The state may have evidence about physical or sexual danger to any one child. (Possibly the five 16-year old wives, if they are pregnant or have been in the past.)
And yes, I agree with you - the state claimed that all the kids were in imminent danger because of the FLDSers’ beliefs.
CPS can claim that all kids were in imminent danger of physical or sexual abuse, but they’d have to have evidence of it, and they do not.


63 posted on 05/29/2008 1:31:04 PM PDT by firefly2
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To: Spiderlily; JBCiejka
Social security was originally a universal tax, but when Medicare was passed in 1965, objecting religious groups in existence prior to 1951 were allowed to opt out of the system. Because of this, not every American is part of the Social Security program, and not everyone has a number. However, it is required for parents to claim their children as tax dependents, and the Internal Revenue Service requires all corporations to get SSNs or alternative identifying numbers from their employees, as described below. Americans who agree to pay extra taxes and do not work for corporations can continue to live without Social Security. The Old Order Amish have fought to prevent universal Social Security by overturning rules such as a requirement to provide a Social Security number for a hunting license.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_number

So, you don't ever have to have one, but it will create problems if you don't.

susie

64 posted on 05/29/2008 1:35:52 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: lady lawyer

I was under the impression, from something I heard this week, that evidence that was not heard in the appeal (which could only hear already heard evidence) could be heard by the supreme court (TX). If so, is it not possible that there is something there that the appellate court did not hear that might change things?

My impression, from weeks of reading threads is that many people will disagree with any decision that doesn’t give the kids back to the parents because they hate CPS and/or govt.

susie


65 posted on 05/29/2008 1:39:56 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: commonguymd

The ACLU? ROFL! When have they ever been on the right side of ANY legal issue?


66 posted on 05/29/2008 1:41:06 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

This one.


67 posted on 05/29/2008 1:44:00 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

Impugning, or simply saying “since they are conservatives you can’t brush this off as a liberal ruling”? Because that’s what I was doing, until I did find out they were actually quite conservative. In this case, I think it was warranted. I’m not sure about the “rights” in quotes, except I might ask why, on this board, no one thinks the children have any.


68 posted on 05/29/2008 1:47:11 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: brytlea

I thought they can’t have new evidence to rule on the case. They have to intrepret the decisions from both courts and rule accordingly based on the evidence that those courts ruled on.


69 posted on 05/29/2008 1:50:55 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: Lurker

Please, don’t embarrass yourself. She also clerked at the USSC and has had extensive experience with child abuse cases. She’s hardly a lightweight, certainly not of the sort that have represented some of these mothers (a guy who worked for NORML, another who regularly represented child abusers, and other hacks, among some others who ARE well-qualified—and then there’s the ACLU).


70 posted on 05/29/2008 1:51:10 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: commonguymd

You could be right. One has to be careful getting information from Foxnews talking heads. :)

susie


71 posted on 05/29/2008 1:53:50 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

You are right to ask my source for “700 LEO’s”.
I don’t know how many officers were there - I was using 700 to prove a point, which is, I’m sure the kids looked frightened with so many LEO’s, and tanks, and guns.
I apologize for a confusing statement.


72 posted on 05/29/2008 1:54:12 PM PDT by firefly2
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To: mouser

They hide when they hear a plane. Here are the pictures. Can you tell how many people are on the compound?

http://web.sccn2.net/flds/

The sheriff has also stated that he was often made to wait, up to an hour, before someone would even come to open the gate. It was an hour and a half on the day of the raid. And he waited . . . he didn’t storm in with tanks. I wonder what was happening inside the compound during those 90 minutes.


73 posted on 05/29/2008 1:54:34 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Oh, surely you can’t mean “Saint” Big Willie Jessop? Lying? Whodathunkit? Don’t you know? ALL of the fLDS are “sweet” and saintly; the only bad guys here are Texans with badges. At least, that’s what I’m learning from this thread.


74 posted on 05/29/2008 1:54:44 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

The children do have rights. They have rights to be with their mothers.


75 posted on 05/29/2008 1:57:00 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: MizSterious; Lurker

She hates all religion.


76 posted on 05/29/2008 1:57:48 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: MizSterious

You sure have a peculiar way of learning things. Making stuff up in your head isn’t necessarily the best way to learn imo. I don’t even know if I would call that learning, more like suffering from paranoia.


77 posted on 05/29/2008 1:59:49 PM PDT by commonguymd (Using the mob torch and pitchfork government lover's method of debate against them in kind.)
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To: brytlea
"My impression, from weeks of reading threads is that many people will disagree with any decision that doesn’t give the kids back to the parents because they hate CPS and/or govt."

I think there's a lot Texas hatred here, too.

78 posted on 05/29/2008 1:59:59 PM PDT by MizSterious (God bless the Texas Rangers for freeing women & children from sexual slavery and abuse.)
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To: MizSterious

Thanks!


79 posted on 05/29/2008 2:00:30 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I have a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.))
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To: MizSterious
Funny thing, her bio doesn't mention 'extensive experience with child abuse'. It doesn't mention child abuse at all.

Professor Hamilton is an internationally recognized expert on constitutional and copyright law.

You can't even make the words 'child abuse' appear if you rearrange the letters.

And if she's so bloody good, why isn't she representing the State of Texas in their appeal to the Texas Supreme Court pro bono?

She's never prosecuted a single case against a child abuser, has never defended an accused child abuser, and hasn't even helped to write a single Statute regarding child abuse. At least there's no evidence of that from her bio.

Nope. She's just another hack with an opinion and a book to sell.

Her opinion on the matter quite frankly doesn't matter.

Maybe she's some sort of Copyright Law heavyweight, but in matters Criminal or Child Custody she's a rank amateur.

If I wanted a Copyright defended, chances are I'd give her a call. If I wanted to defend myself from as yet unfiled Child Abuse charges I'd be better off hiring my auto mechanic than her.

L

80 posted on 05/29/2008 2:01:02 PM PDT by Lurker (Islam is an insane death cult. Any other aspects are PR, to get them within throat-cutting range.)
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