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Dig Uncovers African Beads Buried In Ancient (Irish) Village
Irish Examiner ^ | 5-22-2008 | Sean O’Riordan

Posted on 05/22/2008 1:43:03 PM PDT by blam

Dig uncovers African beads buried in ancient village

By Sean O’Riordan
May 22, 2008

BEADS that originated in Africa are some of the treasures archaelologists have found as they begin to explore an ancient settlement in north Cork.

Test trenches also revealed pottery and weapons from a medieval period.

In addition, there was evidence of prehistoric settlements in the area and an early ecclesiastic settlement, possibly from the 7th-8th century. Evidence of a large moat and cobbled walkways were also uncovered.

Experts are due to conduct major excavations within weeks.

One archaeologist said: “It’s one of the most exciting discoveries in the county in recent times.”

Cork County Council confirmed it will be seeking tenders from archaeological companies for excavations at Newtwopothouse, near Doneraile.

Last February, a small team of archaeologists moved into the site — on the Doneraile/Mallow road — to dig test trenches.

The site is part of a planned realignment scheme.

County archaeologist, Cathryn Power, said she believed the area has “huge potential”.

“Newtwopothouse was known as a potentially important site. It is where the important Caherduggan ringfort and castle is supposed to have been and a large fair was held there annually. The settlement was actually where the original Cahirmee Fair was held. It only moved to Cahirmee (near Buttevant) in the 19th century,” said Ms Power.

Nobody knows why such a thriving settlement began to decline, but archaeologists believe the area may have a wealth of artifacts waiting to be unearthed.

“When you consider that there is evidence of prehistoric activity in the area and that there is also medieval activity, then you are potentially looking at a large site which had been continuously inhabited for maybe more than 3,000 years,” added Ms Power.

She explained that the discovery of African beads showed that communities in Ireland were carrying out trade with north African ports.

Aidan Weir, a senior executive engineer with Cork County Council, said the planned archaeological excavations would delay the road realignment for at least several months.

“We will be putting the archaeological contracts out to tender shortly. It is very important to our heritage that we do this work and find out what may be there,” said Mr Weir.

The excavations last February involved digging 158 test trenches in eight fields. An network of unusual landscape features — possibly manmade — was also noted.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: african; archeology; beads; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; ireland; irish; village

1 posted on 05/22/2008 1:43:03 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 05/22/2008 1:43:32 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I’m not impressed.
When they uncover an i-Pod, then I’ll be impressed.


3 posted on 05/22/2008 1:48:11 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: blam

Let me know when they find Jeremiah’s walking stick.......


4 posted on 05/22/2008 1:48:31 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: blam
She explained that the discovery of African beads showed that communities in Ireland were carrying out trade with north African ports.

Hmm. That's the most creative reason they could come up with?

5 posted on 05/22/2008 1:48:48 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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To: blam

I’m confused. What level were the African beads found in - Eighth century AD or 3000 years ago? The latter would be remarkable, the former sort of ho hum.


6 posted on 05/22/2008 1:49:35 PM PDT by CholeraJoe (Jihad is all fun and games until a predator turns you into a greasy glop.)
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To: blam

There’s alot of black guys named McMillan, McDonald, Campbell, etc. Now we know why. ;o)


7 posted on 05/22/2008 1:50:49 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: blam
She explained that the discovery of African beads showed that communities in Ireland were carrying out trade with north African ports.

Nothing about a Roman connection? Or perhaps through intermediaries closer to Africa, like Spain?

8 posted on 05/22/2008 1:51:19 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: blam
Souvenirs from St. Brendan's southern cruise?


9 posted on 05/22/2008 1:52:10 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ("They're not Americans. They're liberals! "-- Ann Coulter, May 15, 2008)
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To: pissant

So they really did have an red headed irish step uncle.


10 posted on 05/22/2008 1:53:08 PM PDT by aft_lizard (born conservative...I chose to be a republican)
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To: pissant
"There’s alot of black guys named McMillan, McDonald, Campbell, etc. Now we know why. ;o)"

Their known as the Black Irish...typified by names like O'Bama.

11 posted on 05/22/2008 1:53:25 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: blam

Looks like Africa left an impression on Ireland.

12 posted on 05/22/2008 1:53:28 PM PDT by DogBarkTree (The correct word isn't "immigrant" when what they are doing is "invading".)
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To: blam
She explained that the discovery of African beads showed that communities in Ireland were carrying out trade with north African ports.

Not necessarily. It all depends on who was trading with whom. If trade in the general region was widespread, the beads could have been at the end of a supply chain that went from Africa, across the Mediterranean to (say) Italy or Greece, up to France, across the Channel, and over to Ireland.

Or it could have been a single traveller from parts unknown.

13 posted on 05/22/2008 1:57:48 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: CholeraJoe

These African beads don’t mean the Irish were trading with N. Africa. It could mean merchants from Iberia brought them to Ireland to sell, trade, or give as gifts.

The beads could also have been captured from an enemy who happened to possess the beads, gained perhaps from sacking a palace or raiding the coasts of southern Britain, France, or northern Spain.

Now, if we found Irish trade goods in Morocco then yeah, a stronger case could be made for Ireland-N. Africa trade.


14 posted on 05/22/2008 1:59:31 PM PDT by figetyfiggs
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To: pissant

Not really. It was typical that American slaves took the last name of their master. My slave owning ancestors gave theirs the last name of Elliott, same as theirs. How do I know you ask? They registered the slaves birth with the state of Virginia (1850-60s) as required by law. Course I got other relations on the other side of the Mason Dixon Line and the other side of the late unpleasantness. As do many folks.


15 posted on 05/22/2008 1:59:56 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: RKV
Bro, you must be messing with ebonics!

its not the late unpleasantness.

You darn fool, its the recent unpleasantness because I swar that it happened just a few yars back.

Now what kind of pickinney rattlarsnake is you?

16 posted on 05/22/2008 2:09:03 PM PDT by STD ( Brace Yourself; Obama To Expand Black History Month to a Full Year)
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To: blam
SOLDIER #1:
Where'd you get the beads?
ARTHUR:
We found them.
SOLDIER #1: Found them? In Hibernia? Those beads are African!
ARTHUR:
What do you mean?
SOLDIER #1:
Well, this is a temperate zone.
ARTHUR:
The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?
SOLDIER #1:
Are you suggesting that African beads migrate?
17 posted on 05/22/2008 2:10:41 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: RKV

Bro, where did I leave my gold chain? Darn, it was back when we were stuck in dat place full of red haired drunking leprachans, right Shamus?


18 posted on 05/22/2008 2:11:48 PM PDT by STD ( Brace Yourself; Obama To Expand Black History Month to a Full Year)
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To: Colosis; Black Line; Cucullain; SomeguyfromIreland; Youngblood; Fergal; Cian; col kurz; ...

Ireland ping!


19 posted on 05/22/2008 2:12:53 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If Global Warming did not exist, the left would have to invent it. In fact, they did." ~Don Feder)
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To: blam
It is where the important Caherduggan ringfort and castle is supposed to have been and a large fair was held there annually.

Maybe they had renaissance fairs and sold African beads made by locals....

20 posted on 05/22/2008 2:13:46 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Joe 6-pack; blam; All

“Known as the Black Irish....black guys named McMillan, McDonald...”

If my memory serves, the Black Irish are the result when nice Catholic Irish girls meet nice Spanish Catholic shipwrecked guys after the Spanish Armada in Queen Elizabeth’s day is totally destroyed by a big storm.

The Mc Blacks probably took the names of their masters after the Civil War. Perhaps they were less badly treated by what may have been Irish and Scotch smallholders who had personal contact with slaves, rather than large landowners who may have had more wealthy English roots. I know that there are a lot of black Williams’s which would be Welsh, who had no great love for the English. In fact the name Williams means “Williams man”, dating from when many Welsh allied themselves with William the Conquerer against the English.


21 posted on 05/22/2008 2:14:42 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Joe 6-pack; blam; All

“Known as the Black Irish....black guys named McMillan, McDonald...”

If my memory serves, the Black Irish are the result when nice Catholic Irish girls meet nice Spanish Catholic shipwrecked guys after the Spanish Armada in Queen Elizabeth’s day is totally destroyed by a big storm.

The Mc Blacks probably took the names of their masters after the Civil War. Perhaps they were less badly treated by what may have been Irish and Scotch smallholders who had personal contact with slaves, rather than large landowners who may have had more wealthy English roots. I know that there are a lot of black Williams’s which would be Welsh, who had no great love for the English. In fact the name Williams means “Williams man”, dating from when many Welsh allied themselves with William the Conquerer against the English.


22 posted on 05/22/2008 2:15:06 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Tax-chick
I thought his name was O'Bama.
23 posted on 05/22/2008 2:15:52 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: blam
She explained that the discovery of African beads showed that communities in Ireland were carrying out trade with north African ports.

Considering that the Roman Empire traded with both Africa and Ireland, it's not surprising that African artifacts were found there

24 posted on 05/22/2008 2:19:52 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Joe 6-pack

LOL.

Black Irish refers to black hair inherited by some Ireland inhabitants after mixing with Spanish and/or Roman invaders.


25 posted on 05/22/2008 2:23:06 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (McCain is our nominee. I'll stand with him and John Cornyn and the rest of his supporters.)
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To: Mike Bates

LOL!


26 posted on 05/22/2008 2:26:43 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("If Global Warming did not exist, the left would have to invent it. In fact, they did." ~Don Feder)
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To: gleeaikin
"If my memory serves, the Black Irish are the result when nice Catholic Irish girls meet nice Spanish Catholic shipwrecked guys..."

You have to give the Spanish credit for spreading their seed far and wide...even in places that they never conquered or held on to for very long. Years back when I first moved to Louisiana, I was kind of surprised at the number of Spanish surnames that have held on here from even before the arrival of the French Cajuns. Some of the family names include Ortego, Romero, Villareal, etc. although all are pronounced in very flat English, and not with the Spanish pronunciation and inflection you'd expect in more recent immigrant communities. Likewise, if you meet a native born Louisianian with the surname, "Rivers" there's a good chance that has been anglicized from "Rivera."

27 posted on 05/22/2008 2:34:02 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: STD

Right on bro.


28 posted on 05/22/2008 2:39:22 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Likewise, if you meet a native born Louisianian with the surname, "Rivers" there's a good chance that has been anglicized from "Rivera."

Oh, so that's where Jerry Rivers comes from! ;-)

29 posted on 05/22/2008 2:54:08 PM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: pissant

To #7, re Blacks w/Irish names. Pls read “The Story of the Irish Race” by Seamus McManus; Devon-Adair; Chapter LI; pps 428-435, (incl/footnotes), “The Cromwellian Settlement”.
“...young men, and of the young women and boys and girls, numbers were, during the following years shipped into slavery to the American colonies and the West Indies. The numbers thus sent to slavery are variously estimated at between thirty thousand and eighty thousand.”
Black slaves were dying off due to the terrible conditions so the English forced Irish slaves to reproduce w/Blacks, w/o benefit of clergy, so as to keep the work force going. On some islands, up to the late 1800s, the Irish was spoken.


30 posted on 05/22/2008 4:35:40 PM PDT by Linden1209
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31 posted on 05/23/2008 6:46:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______________________Profile updated Monday, April 28, 2008)
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To: blam

Could it be that the Crusades had some part in getting them closer to areas where African trade was common?


32 posted on 05/23/2008 8:18:33 PM PDT by marsh2
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