Posted on 05/22/2008 1:43:03 PM PDT by blam
“Known as the Black Irish....black guys named McMillan, McDonald...”
If my memory serves, the Black Irish are the result when nice Catholic Irish girls meet nice Spanish Catholic shipwrecked guys after the Spanish Armada in Queen Elizabeth’s day is totally destroyed by a big storm.
The Mc Blacks probably took the names of their masters after the Civil War. Perhaps they were less badly treated by what may have been Irish and Scotch smallholders who had personal contact with slaves, rather than large landowners who may have had more wealthy English roots. I know that there are a lot of black Williams’s which would be Welsh, who had no great love for the English. In fact the name Williams means “Williams man”, dating from when many Welsh allied themselves with William the Conquerer against the English.
“Known as the Black Irish....black guys named McMillan, McDonald...”
If my memory serves, the Black Irish are the result when nice Catholic Irish girls meet nice Spanish Catholic shipwrecked guys after the Spanish Armada in Queen Elizabeth’s day is totally destroyed by a big storm.
The Mc Blacks probably took the names of their masters after the Civil War. Perhaps they were less badly treated by what may have been Irish and Scotch smallholders who had personal contact with slaves, rather than large landowners who may have had more wealthy English roots. I know that there are a lot of black Williams’s which would be Welsh, who had no great love for the English. In fact the name Williams means “Williams man”, dating from when many Welsh allied themselves with William the Conquerer against the English.
Considering that the Roman Empire traded with both Africa and Ireland, it's not surprising that African artifacts were found there
LOL.
Black Irish refers to black hair inherited by some Ireland inhabitants after mixing with Spanish and/or Roman invaders.
LOL!
You have to give the Spanish credit for spreading their seed far and wide...even in places that they never conquered or held on to for very long. Years back when I first moved to Louisiana, I was kind of surprised at the number of Spanish surnames that have held on here from even before the arrival of the French Cajuns. Some of the family names include Ortego, Romero, Villareal, etc. although all are pronounced in very flat English, and not with the Spanish pronunciation and inflection you'd expect in more recent immigrant communities. Likewise, if you meet a native born Louisianian with the surname, "Rivers" there's a good chance that has been anglicized from "Rivera."
Right on bro.
Oh, so that's where Jerry Rivers comes from! ;-)
To #7, re Blacks w/Irish names. Pls read “The Story of the Irish Race” by Seamus McManus; Devon-Adair; Chapter LI; pps 428-435, (incl/footnotes), “The Cromwellian Settlement”.
“...young men, and of the young women and boys and girls, numbers were, during the following years shipped into slavery to the American colonies and the West Indies. The numbers thus sent to slavery are variously estimated at between thirty thousand and eighty thousand.”
Black slaves were dying off due to the terrible conditions so the English forced Irish slaves to reproduce w/Blacks, w/o benefit of clergy, so as to keep the work force going. On some islands, up to the late 1800s, the Irish was spoken.
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Thanks Blam. No "Dark Ages" ping. |
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Could it be that the Crusades had some part in getting them closer to areas where African trade was common?
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