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The international kilogram conundrum[Weights have mysteriously fluctuated]
LA Times ^ | 17 Apr 2008 | Jia-Rui Chong

Posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:33 PM PDT by BGHater

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To: tet68
“Does this kilogram make me look fat?”

To which the proper reply is ..

"Why Nooo honey, you look just fine. What's a silly kilogram anyway?"

(Steak dinner, perfumed bed, a little late getting to a very deep and satisfied sleep .... mmmmmmmmmmm.)

21 posted on 04/20/2008 6:18:39 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: ApplegateRanch

You could’ve been on Star Trek... except for that last part.


22 posted on 04/20/2008 6:18:57 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: Politicalities

‘Tis a true fact that many things that come out of Europe are not bad. Including the SI system and Fitna. But everything else... nevermind.


23 posted on 04/20/2008 6:21:29 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: roaddog727
More likely that the magnetic/gravitational field of the earth has been changing over time. Also, the earth is viewed as a “geoid” as opposed to a constant sphere. a Geoid is somewhat “lumpy”. Also note that different locations over the globe have dfferent gavitic constants - theu, if we have a “known” mass and the gravitic constant for that particular region of the globe changes, that sample no longer “weighs” 1 KG.

Does that make sense?

The problem with that theory is that they collect the samples together in one place to compare them, and that's how they know they've changed. My guess is that some of the caretakers have been using them as paperweights.

24 posted on 04/20/2008 6:21:39 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: knarf

1 silly kilogram = 2.205 lbs. (please tell NASA)


25 posted on 04/20/2008 6:22:25 PM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: tomkat

9:00 to 10:00 AM - coffee

10:01 check on kilogram

10:02 to 11:00 - chat with co-workers

11:00 to 12:00 - Get ready for lunch


26 posted on 04/20/2008 6:23:18 PM PDT by shineon
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To: kc8ukw
Doesn’t that really mean everything else in the universe had their weight fluctuate?

Scientific proof:


27 posted on 04/20/2008 6:24:08 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: tomkat

LOL. Well considering he wasn’t able to prevent No. 20. from changing it might be real stressful right now :-)


28 posted on 04/20/2008 6:25:08 PM PDT by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Richard Kimball

Thank you. I’m done talking now.


29 posted on 04/20/2008 6:25:43 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: tokenatheist

Thank you for illustrating Ben Stein’s point...


30 posted on 04/20/2008 6:25:45 PM PDT by moonhawk (Pre-order your "Don't blame me, I didn't vote!" bumper stickers here on Free Republic now.)
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To: kc8ukw
How could a standard weight fluctuate? Doesn’t that really mean everything else in the universe had their weight fluctuate?

The different national prototype kilograms are varying from the international prototype kilogram, and from each other. By values, by the way, which represent exceedingly tiny amounts. If the International Prototype Kilogram masses exactly 1 kg, the United States Prototype Kilogram masses 1.000000019 kg.

I yield second place to no man in my disgust for the French. But the plain and simple truth is that SI is superior to the archaic, illogical system we use in the United States, despite the fact that it was invented in France. Ignoramuses and xenophobes blocked its adoption here, which has the result of putting American children at a disadvantage in the sciences... since scientists worldwide use SI, but non-American scientists have an intuitive grasp for the mass of a kilogram or the length of a meter that was developed since birth. And I see this same ignorance and xenophobia on display in this very thread by people who apparently are unaware that the pound is defined in terms of the kilogram, you blockheads.

31 posted on 04/20/2008 6:26:26 PM PDT by Politicalities
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
My hunch is the universal gravitational constant isn’t.

I'm going to find it hard to get used to formulas like:

s = .5 * YeaMuch ** 2

32 posted on 04/20/2008 6:26:48 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: kc8ukw
"How could a standard weight fluctuate? Doesn’t that really mean everything else in the universe had their weight fluctuate?"

Expansion of the universe.

33 posted on 04/20/2008 6:26:58 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kc8ukw

“Doesn’t that really mean everything else in the universe had their weight fluctuate?”

That probably is what is causing such a stir.

I would think, in order of likelihood, one of the following is true:

1. The discrepancy is smaller than the margin of error of whatever method they are using to measure it,

2. The weight wasn’t THAT precicely weighted to begin with,

3. There was some undiscovered source of wear/corrosion,

or,

maybe 20. There is some undiscovered principle of physics causing the change. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely.


34 posted on 04/20/2008 6:32:23 PM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: roaddog727

That may be true. But why did it effect every one differently?

I think they need to take a couple of these and ship them to each other’s locations, and see if they are the same when measured in the same location.

Otherwise, there’s something strange going on.


35 posted on 04/20/2008 6:34:10 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Politicalities

But isn’t the interesting thing that we thought we had sealed these objects in a way that would prevent them from changing mass, and yet they seem to be changing mass, and in different amounts?

This is an interesting anomaly, much like the Pioneer spacecraft being off-course. There must be an explanation, but surely there are scientists who will not rest until they KNOW that explanation.


36 posted on 04/20/2008 6:36:37 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Politicalities

“You were told that SI is superior to Imperial because it is.”

Is that why aeronautics uses SI? Oh, wait, it doesn’t. SI is just another measurement of lengths and weight chosen as random as anything else. It just uses easy to use factors, not easy to use measurements, mind you, just factors.


37 posted on 04/20/2008 6:39:08 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: roaddog727
Is platinum magnetic?

Also note that different locations over the globe have dfferent gavitic constants

The moon effects the gravity on earth, causing slight flutuations. The moon which is drifting further away from earth slighty each year, It stands to reason that would have a slight effect on gravity.

38 posted on 04/20/2008 6:40:09 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Politicalities

“I yield second place to no man in my disgust for the French. But the plain and simple truth is that SI is superior to the archaic, illogical system we use in the United States, despite the fact that it was invented in France. Ignoramuses and xenophobes blocked its adoption here, which has the result of putting American children at a disadvantage in the sciences... since scientists worldwide use SI, but non-American scientists have an intuitive grasp for the mass of a kilogram or the length of a meter that was developed since birth. And I see this same ignorance and xenophobia on display in this very thread by people who apparently are unaware that the pound is defined in terms of the kilogram, you blockheads.

So much ignorance in one paragraph. Kids have an “intuitive grasp” of the meter and kilo?? Really? What was their basis of knowledge, their ability to see light travel and accurately define it to 3Mm/s??


39 posted on 04/20/2008 6:41:49 PM PDT by CodeToad
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To: BGHater

My 14-year-old son just suggested that the weight differential might be caused by the decay of radioactive isotopes in the material. What say you?
p.s. yes, we homeschool.


40 posted on 04/20/2008 6:42:51 PM PDT by federalist1
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