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The international kilogram conundrum[Weights have mysteriously fluctuated]
LA Times ^ | 17 Apr 2008 | Jia-Rui Chong

Posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:33 PM PDT by BGHater

In the more than a century since 'perfect' platinum-iridium cylinders were first used as the world's kilogram standards, their weights have mysteriously fluctuated. Scientists are rethinking what the measure means.

GAITHERSBURG, MD. -- Forty feet underground, secured in a temperature- and humidity-controlled vault here, lies Kilogram No. 20.


(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: kilogram; standards; weights
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1 posted on 04/20/2008 5:58:34 PM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

I thought this is was why the SI was so superior to the english system, at least that is what we were told.


2 posted on 04/20/2008 6:00:20 PM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: BGHater

The diameter and height of the Le Grand K are measured in INCHES? That sure makes sense.

My hunch is the universal gravitational constant isn’t.


3 posted on 04/20/2008 6:02:02 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: BGHater

Now where is that gravitational constant when you need it?


4 posted on 04/20/2008 6:02:28 PM PDT by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: BGHater
There is a lesson to be learned here, vis-a-vis global warming.

Just as variations in various nation's kilogram samples have varied, so too have their degree "samples". These degree "samples" have gotten hotter, as weather stations have been painted, moved, and have around them constructions of paved parking lots, buildings, cities.

5 posted on 04/20/2008 6:03:38 PM PDT by C210N (The television has mounted the most serious assault on Republicanism since Das Kapital.)
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To: BGHater

Bush’s fault.


6 posted on 04/20/2008 6:05:39 PM PDT by JPJones (Cry havoc and let loose the Freepers!)
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To: numberonepal

Now where is that gravitational constant when you need it?

I think they put it in charge of some woman and it hasn’t been the same since.

“Does this kilogram make me look fat?”


7 posted on 04/20/2008 6:06:06 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: BGHater
Well, when it comes to furthering the cause of metrics, I'm all aboard and going to town! (”Say yes to foreign rulers in the U.S.)

When that happens to me, it's usually the three heaping handfuls of Reese's Pieces I shovel into my maw before bed.

8 posted on 04/20/2008 6:06:30 PM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: BGHater

How could a standard weight fluctuate? Doesn’t that really mean everything else in the universe had their weight fluctuate?


9 posted on 04/20/2008 6:08:26 PM PDT by kc8ukw
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To: BGHater

Okay, who picked up the weight without wearing their silk glove?


10 posted on 04/20/2008 6:09:16 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Hey they come boys! As thick as grass, and as black as thunder!)
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To: BGHater
Zeina Jabbour, the physicist at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, or NIST, in charge of maintaining No. 20, the official U.S. kilogram

I can only imagine what that hellish workday must be like . . .


11 posted on 04/20/2008 6:09:16 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: C210N

(heh)


12 posted on 04/20/2008 6:09:34 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Perdogg
Yes, the French system is vastly superior to the English system. For example, the distance between the point of index finger and the elbow is no longer meaningful whereas the official kilogram has only 20 different weights.
13 posted on 04/20/2008 6:10:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BGHater

The ID response to this would be to simply state that the designer changed what it weighed and that no further research would be needed.


14 posted on 04/20/2008 6:11:11 PM PDT by tokenatheist (Can I play with madness?)
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To: C210N

More likely that the magnetic/gravitational field of the earth has been changing over time. Also, the earth is viewed as a “geoid” as opposed to a constant sphere. a Geoid is somewhat “lumpy”. Also note that different locations over the globe have dfferent gavitic constants - theu, if we have a “known” mass and the gravitic constant for that particular region of the globe changes, that sample no longer “weighs” 1 KG.

Does that make sense?


15 posted on 04/20/2008 6:12:17 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
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[Weights have mysteriously fluctuated]

Folks, ya gotta think "Ted Kennedy" here...

16 posted on 04/20/2008 6:13:01 PM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: JPJones
Bush’s fault.

LOL!

17 posted on 04/20/2008 6:14:06 PM PDT by STE=Q ("These are the times that try men's souls." -- Thomas Paine)
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To: muawiyah
There is a software I work with that still uses cubits. We have been told not to use it, it was only included because AutoCad still recognizes cubits.
18 posted on 04/20/2008 6:14:18 PM PDT by Perdogg (Reagan would have never said "She's my girl")
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To: BGHater
I can't believe that something so obvious is so baffling.

As the universe expands, the atoms move farther apart; and so do the subatomic particles of the atom, so the distance between centers of two masses changes, so the gravitational attraction is reduced, so the apparent mass decreases, but due to higher geometries involved. the changes are not the same in all directions...but this also changes rotational and orbital speeds, which changes the centrifugal and centripetal forces, which...but...,which also implies that..., and then...,THEREFORE,...,if God so wills it.

19 posted on 04/20/2008 6:17:31 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Great Obamanation of Desolation, attempting to sit in the Oval Office, where he ought not..)
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To: Perdogg; ProtectOurFreedom
I thought this is was why the SI was so superior to the english system, at least that is what we were told.

Really? Who told you that SI was superior to Imperial because the replicas of the International Prototype Kilogram were exact and invariant?

And are you aware that since 1893, the definition of the avoirdupois pound (at least in the United States) has been in terms of the kilogram?

You were told that SI is superior to Imperial because it is.

My hunch is the universal gravitational constant isn’t.

Do tell. And does your hunch have a hypothesis to explain why all the replicas of Le Grande K have varied by different amounts? And are you aware that masses are measured using gravity-independent means?

The fact that the kilogram is defined as the mass of an artifact is a relic, left over from the 19th century when representing standards with physical objects was the best that could be done. Soon enough, this will become a nonissue when the kilogram is redefined by fixing Planck's constant, just as the meter was redefined by fixing the speed of light in a vacuum.

20 posted on 04/20/2008 6:18:02 PM PDT by Politicalities
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