Posted on 02/18/2008 4:53:01 PM PST by LibWhacker
'The Day She Died, She Knew She Couldn't Talk To Police,' Mom Says
DELAND, Fla. -- A Central Florida woman whose 17-year-old daughter was killed in a murder-suicide apparently committed by her ex-boyfriend said the teen was told by police to stop calling for help or she'd be arrested.
Police said Clay Coffner shot his estranged girlfriend, Natasha Hall, in the head outside her DeLand home Friday before turning the gun on himself.
Hall's mother, Sherry, said her daughter was concerned about Coffner and informed police.
In fact, Hall said her daughter called police so much that on Jan. 15 they threatened her.
"The police officer said if you call us one more time on him, I'm going to arrest you both," Sherry Hall said. "So, the day she died, she knew she couldn't talk to police. So, she handled it herself."
Michele Karpowicz said everyone noticed the warning signs before the homicide -- except police.
"I was going crazy," Hall's best friend said. "He was psycho, jealous and abusive."
Local 6 is trying to obtain a police call log to determine how many times the teen called police.
DeLand police officials have not responded to the allegations.
The police were obviously too busy busting into wrong houses and killing dogs in their never ending quest for weed.
Nobody should have a gun or try to defend themselves. The best thing to do is to call the police and wait. sarcasm off
Fire and jail them all, including the 911 operators.
I will not rely on the police to protect me or my family.
The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect you. “You” being used in the generic form.
Care to guess when the jackboot lickers will make an appearance?
She should have KEPT calling, so the cops would've come to arrest her. At least, she might have had a chance to stay alive.
You are responsible for your own safety. Too bad this girl and her family didn't realize that before.
Call 9-1-1 and die.
Or get arrested.
The police were obviously too busy busting into wrong houses and killing dogs in their never ending quest for weed
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Yeah, but just look at how many lives were saved by getting that pot off the street! /s
Police cannot prevent crime. They just clean up after.
Why didn’t the mom do something.
Maybe it needs an update.
She looks like a sweet girl. May God rest her soul.
Often in their $3000 cute swat outfits, armed to the teeth and looking really cool...
<”I will not rely on the police to protect me or my family.”>
You’re absolutely right NOT to trust them.
They know they have no legal requirement to protect anybody, and can’t be sued for their inactions (only their actions).
Can't. They have a very strong union.
Police today are nothing more them revenue agents.
I'd never call a cop.
The guys that break into my house, they are going to have to call the cops.
We had a situation in our family years ago when my aunt’s ex became a stalker and made her life— and my grandparents’ lives— hell, with his threats and harassment. After a couple of weeks, my two uncles came to town and took the stalker for a ride out on a lonely road. They showed him exactly where his body was going to be dumped if he did not leave their sister alone. The harassment stopped immediately.
When seconds count, police are only minutes away.
For heaven’s sake, don’t tell me that the Deland PD runs around with that “To Protect & Serve” bumper sticker on their cruisers...
The Second Amendment is the ultimate (authentic) feminist issue. This beautiful young girl should have been armed. And trained to use her weapon properly.
It's a shame, but at 17, you'd think there was a relative to send her off to for awhile.
I guess, even when people are afraid, they still think maybe bad stuff won't really happen? Poor girl.
Too many dognuts.
GREAT line!
If she had called and reported her neighbor smoking pot, the SWAT team would have busted into her house by mistake and saved her.
Real shame.
I’ve seen cases before where the girl keeps calling the police to protect her against an ex that keeps threatening her, the police tell her to come in and press charges or file a restraining order, but the girl refuses to do so. Next, at the girl’s invitation “since he now promises to be good” the girl and her ex are back together again and when she gets threatened some more, she calls the police again, thinking they’re her personal security team.
If she keeps refusing to file charges the police will eventually grow tired of her. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case here.
LOL
Sad but realistic
Ahhh - family justice - probably has a much better (lower) rate of recidivism than just about any other system. My mom tells a story of one her older sisters who was being routinely beaten by her worthless husband. Until, of course, the six brothers found out, all of whom served in various branches of the military circa WWII. They took him out to the barn and had a “friendly chat”, after which this scumbag decided he wasn’t so interested in beatings anymore...
“There is no situation so bad it cannot be made worse by the presence of a policeman”.
This girls mistake was thinking the police actually help anyone.....and it cost her life.
If she had tried to protect herself....then the police would have arrived....to arrest her.
Makes you wonder who the real criminals are.....
I suspect there’s a lot more to this story than has been presented at this point. It could turn out to be as bad as it sounds right now, but it’s going to take time to gather up all the pieces and assemble the puzzle.
Sadly, I have little faith in those who will be gathering the pieces. I have no concrete, absolute reason for my lack of faith, just a nagging feeling that’s been years in the making that police tend to protect their own. It’s human nature. Doctors do it, plumbers do it, we all do it.
Are they for hire?
Why didn’t the girl or her family get a restraining order?
That doesn't excuse the police not responding, they should have come, but beyond that, they can't force him to stay away from her or vice versa absenct attempted murder, assault (could have jailed him for that), except by restraining order.
She should have gotten a restraining order for starters. They are worthless, especially when the person getting it keeps letting the person back in their lives, or the other person keeps forcing their way back in their life. The State of Illinois arrests any party who breaks the restraining order.
After having gotten one, yes, she should have done something to protect herself, get away from him. She was young, may not have understood the seriousness of how these things can escalate. It isn't clear if she was still living in her family home or what here. Being 17, and a minor, one might think her parents could have done something, too.
Having watched the New World Order take away Kosovo and give it to the Islamo-fascists and watching Jorge Bush's flagrant disregard to secure our borders from illegal alien criminals, I must conclude that only a fool continues to rely on government to protect himself, his family and the people he loves. A mature person knows he now must look to himself for his own survival.
Can you tell me why they didn’t take her calls seriously, regardless of how many times she called? Two people are dead because of their failure to act.
I also wonder why the mother didn’t do anything. The first option would always be to send the girl to live with friends or relatives, but if she didn’t have that resource, I’m sure a battered women’s shelter would have taken the girl.
This kind of thing should always be taken seriously by friends and relatives.
45 minutes to be exact.
He updated it the day he killed her and himself. In reading the details, he clearly was a threat and very obsessed.
The sad fact is, police would often rather handle drug busts because they are time consuming and safe.
You berate the police regardless of what they do or don’t do. You cry about how they are “jack-boots”, then fully expect them to arrest anyone who gets a complaint via 911. If they had arrested this guy before he had committed a crime, you a$$-wipes would be bitching about that too. The police aren’t personal bodyguards.
God, you freaking barker-lounger bad-asses make me sick.
What cite is that?
Then she needed to press charges and/or get a restraining order. If the boyfriend hasn't broken any law, there is nothing the cops can OR SHOULD do.
Heroes like that don't exist anymore. Sad.
Don’t get me started...
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