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EBay abandons negative comments about buyers (Sellers will no longer be able to leave neg. feedback)
The Times (U.K.) ^ | February 6, 2008 | Suzy Jagger and Jonathan Richards

Posted on 02/06/2008 8:42:06 AM PST by Stoat

EBay abandons negative comments about buyers

 

All buyers and sellers are equal in the virtual auction world of eBay, but buyers are about to become more equal than everyone else.

From May, eBay, the world's biggest online auction house, will block sellers from posting any negative or neutral comments about buyers who purchase their goods to coax more of them on to the site.

The move means that anyone selling an item will have little recourse to complain that the purchaser of their Britney Spears T-shirt or antique Whitby egg-timer had been a late payer, or had become a persistent troublemaker, grumbling unfairly about their acquisition.

At the moment, eBay buyers and sellers are encouraged to give a rating about their counterpart on the auction site's feedback system, which alerts other customers about bad experiences and helps to self-regulate the auction site. A buyer or seller with a bad rating is effectively blacklisted. At present customers can scroll through several months of comments about both buyers and sellers to decide whether they feel comfortable doing business with them. Frequent gripes include a seller over-charging for postage, a purchased item delivered late or one party being generally dishonest.

EBay has defended the move, claiming that buyers need more protection than sellers because they have to send money to a counterparty they do not know.

A spokesman for Ebay said yesterday that the auctioneer wanted to stamp out an increasing practice where sellers who had received a bad rating would retaliate by posting a poor rating on the buyer. "Some sellers are gaming the system. And some buyers in turn have been turned off," the spokesman said.

The group added that it is rare for buyers to renege on payments. But sellers have claimed that the new system leaves them vulnerable to extortion with buyers wielding the ability to blacklist them without the opportunity to defend themselves.

A week ago eBay - which makes the bulk of its revenue from commissions - announced that it cutting the amount it cost to list an item on the site by a third, but increasing the commission it charged on completion from 5.25 to 7.5 per cent.

For the vast majority of sellers, this had the effect of increasing the overall cost of shifting goods on the site. For instance, to sell a £100 camera now costs £6.70, where previously it would have cost £5.85.

The higher commission means that sellers of high value goods now also pay more.

Sellers have claimed that the new system leaves them vulnerable to extortion, with buyers wielding the ability to blacklist them without the opportunity to defend themselves.

A week ago eBay - which makes the bulk of its revenue from commissions - said that it was cutting the amount it cost to list an item for sale on the site by a third but was increasing the commission it charged on completion from 5.25 to 7.5 per cent.

The new pricing structure unleashed a torrent of complaints on eBay's message boards, where its sellers - who have long been a vocal community - vented their anger.

One said: “The fees are deceiving: lowering the front-end cost, then adding it to the final fee. Anyone who can do the math can see that they are not lowering the fees, they are increasing them.” Another said: “As a seller, I have been kicked in the head.”

The latest upheaval comes at a difficult time for eBay. Its core business has struggled against slowing growth rates and it is trying to combat issues such as fraud, as well as increased competition from vendors, such as Amazon.

Last year it said that it was taking a $1.4billion (£712 million) charge in relation to Skype, the telephony service that it bought for $2.6 billion in 2005 and for which it admitted it had overpaid. Analysts have also expressed concern at the failure to increase the number of users, which remains static at 83 million.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: auction; business; ebay; economy; feedback; onlineauction
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1 posted on 02/06/2008 8:42:24 AM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Don’t want to upset little Billy’s self esteem now, do we?


2 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:22 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Stoat

I hope they don’t abandon comments regarding sellers.


3 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:36 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Stoat

Whaaat? This is ridiculous.


4 posted on 02/06/2008 8:43:48 AM PST by forkinsocket
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To: Puppage

Guess EBay didn’t want to face the lawsuits from buyers for defamation. Lawyers strike again.


5 posted on 02/06/2008 8:44:49 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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To: dfwgator

Nonsense. Ebay did not need to capitulate to this.

This is Ebay’s fault, not lawyers.


6 posted on 02/06/2008 8:49:58 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Stoat

Huh. I just bought a house off Craigs List.

I am pretty sure the seller didn’t pay them %7.5


7 posted on 02/06/2008 8:50:28 AM PST by patton (cuiquam in sua arte credendum)
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To: CarrotAndStick
I hope they don’t abandon comments regarding sellers.

According to the articles, there's no plan to do so at this time.

8 posted on 02/06/2008 8:50:49 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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This increases the opportunity for the new smaller auction sites.

Ebay is just hurting themselves.


9 posted on 02/06/2008 8:52:09 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Stoat
.... an increasing practice where sellers who had received a bad rating would retaliate by posting a poor rating on the buyer.

BS!

I have a rating of about 300 with 1 negative. It was retaliation from negative FB left for a no-pay buyer with a -1 rating on a $2.50 item.

10 posted on 02/06/2008 8:52:33 AM PST by OSHA (The Procrastinators Club is full of poseurs and frauds. Think about it.)
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To: Stoat
I'm an occasional Ebay seller and buyer. I've had a few times where buyers who won the auction never completed the purchase. I never send the item until paid, but it's annoying having to chase them down and then to apply to Ebay for a refund of the listing fees. I left negative feedback for those bidders.

I also had an occasion where someone claimed I didn't represent the item properly (I did) and demanded money back plus all shipping fees even though I had a No Returns policy on the item as it was not an expensive item. I fulfilled that request at cost to me, but didn't leave negative feedback. Instead I just blocked the person from bidding on any of my items in the future.

By and large, I've been very satisfied with the Ebay transactions I've made.

11 posted on 02/06/2008 8:53:07 AM PST by randita (Do not trust any polls!)
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To: Stoat

Wow, I have an e-bay business and the level of buyer fraud is incredible. We had to start using delivery confirmation on everything because some buyers would use Paypal, claim the item never arrived and e-bay would return the money no matter how many times the buyer had pulled this stunt. The fact that a buyer did not want to buy insurance did not matter at all. Been looking at Amazon too!


12 posted on 02/06/2008 8:53:55 AM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports. Everything else are merel)
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To: forkinsocket
Whaaat? This is ridiculous.

I bought an item from some bimbo on ebay. When I got the item, some of the parts were missing. I contacted the seller and after a week, no reply. I went ahead and left positive feed back anyway since it was no big deal. Another week goes by and I contacted the seller again and requested she at least leave positive feedback for me. This idiot had the gall to leave negative feedback and say the buyer was "impatient". I contacted Ebay and demanded they remove the unwarranted comment, they refused, and I cancelled my account. I had purchased about 5K bucks through Ebay up to that point. I haven't been back to their web site since.
13 posted on 02/06/2008 8:54:47 AM PST by 109ACS (Humpty Dumpty was pushed!)
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To: MtnClimber

...always send packages comfirming.


14 posted on 02/06/2008 8:55:51 AM PST by mr_hammer (...checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night.)
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To: Stoat

eBay moves closer to subsidiary PayPal in the SUCK department.


15 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:15 AM PST by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: Stoat
In an increasingly dishonest world, Ebay buyers are also using sellers to replace broken possessions virtually for free buy “purchasing” a set of items, and then claiming one piece arrived broken(the one they want to replace), and then expect a refund after returning the broken one. Good luck Ebay, the criminals have figured out how to use your sellers, too. For this reason, I know of several users who have canceled seller accounts.
16 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:16 AM PST by Melinda
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To: randita

I have never had a bad experience with an eBay seller; I even bought a car on eBay and it was the best car buying experience I’d had in years.

The only problems I have ever had have been with PayPal charging twice for the same transaction and then being completely unresponsive about it. I worked it out with the seller who was great but I don’t think I’ll be using PayPal anymore.


17 posted on 02/06/2008 8:57:47 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Stoat

Frequent gripes include a seller over-charging for postage, a purchased item delivered late or one party being generally dishonest.

What's fair postage anyway? Is it the actual shipping charge, or is it ok to add few dollars for your own handling (box, envelope, driving to PO)? I always try to charge as close to actual shipping as possible. However, I recently purchased a couple shirts where the guy charged me $12 while the actual shipping charge was $4.90.

18 posted on 02/06/2008 9:01:02 AM PST by JZelle
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To: OSHA
.... an increasing practice where sellers who had received a bad rating would retaliate by posting a poor rating on the buyer.

BS!

Actually, it happens.

19 posted on 02/06/2008 9:01:49 AM PST by South40 (Amnesty is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: MtnClimber

This finishes my selling on eBay then.
I have excellent feedback and I won’t be selling any more.


20 posted on 02/06/2008 9:01:58 AM PST by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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