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Vanity: McCain is a radical, not a conservative
February 3, 2008 | Jabba The Nutt

Posted on 02/03/2008 10:04:31 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt

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To: AuntB
If McCain is so sure he is a winner he would resign the Senate immediately as would Hillary.... He and she can’t be keeping their sabbatical elected positions out of certainty.
41 posted on 02/03/2008 10:53:11 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat; Admin Moderator
Newbie, possible troll alert....mods can decide whether to ZOT.

Admin, she joined FR yesterday...POSSIBLY “a77” in another guise.

What's the problem with me? Just as much as I am not you, I am not the person you believe me to be, nor am I that person you insist on making me out to be. Stop now, please.

42 posted on 02/03/2008 10:53:14 AM PST by moderate_conservative
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To: Jabba the Nutt

McCain’t


43 posted on 02/03/2008 10:54:42 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (This site has been invaded by trolls!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
Um, yes McCain is pro amnesty. Bush is pro amnesty. Hillary is pro amnesty. Obama is pro amnesty. Romney is not, good for him, but isn't going to win this year. By all means, break a lance and vote for him in the primary, and hope for the best. But when he loses - primary or general - we will get all amnesty pols left, in office or offered for the general. At which point your opposition to amnesty pols becomes moot. You can sit out or throw your vote away on a fringe candidate to make a statement, or you can vote for this or that pro amnesty pol. If the last, you will have to decide on something other than amnesty, because they are all going to be for it.

70 or 80% of the people are against illegal immigration. But pols covering 75% of the political spectrum (from Bush leftward) are for it. The reason for the difference is the pols are playing to a future electorate they expect to see, not to the present one. You don't have to like this for it to be true. But the result is that no one actually willing to articulate the majority preference against illegal immigration, can win national office. To side with us on that point, they have to be so far right on a host of other issues, they can't win a general election.

The way to stop amnesty anyway is to use congress, not the presidency. Individual house districts represent not the future median voter nationwide, but the present (2 year horizon) one within each district. It should therefore be possible to get enough of them beholden to the present median voter in anti-amnesty districts, and to hold their feet to the fire on the critical votes, to block actual passage of amnesty. We aren't going to get that by having an anti-amnesty president, this time around.

I'd rather have president Thompson. But those are the political realities of the situation, this year.

44 posted on 02/03/2008 10:54:50 AM PST by JasonC
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To: XeniaSt

Had to steal your poster


45 posted on 02/03/2008 10:58:07 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: AuntB
OHHHH the phone lines are burning in MO.... just got another call from some gal asking three question....1. Who will I vote for Tuesday: 2. Who was my second choice: and 3. What issue was I most concerned with.... listed economy, Iraq, and immigration .... pushed number 3 with that question and then the gal says this was paid for McCain.... lol I did not hear John McCain saying I approve this call....
46 posted on 02/03/2008 11:01:06 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: org.whodat
Please Do !

47 posted on 02/03/2008 11:01:33 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redheemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Just mythoughts

“If McCain is so sure he is a winner he would resign the Senate immediately as would Hillary...”

No kidding! All McCain has done in the last 8 years is run for president, push amnesty and investigate drugs in baseball. How anyone supports him after abusing his senate seat like this is beyond me.


48 posted on 02/03/2008 11:11:16 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: thefactor
Let me try to explain it. An elected McCain, who is well-known for his pro-illegal immigration views, as a premier leader, will enable the MSM declare a McCain mandate for his "reform". Just as the MSM declared the '06 congressional election was about the War in Iraq afterwards.

Cowardly, weak-minded Republican elected officials will do the cowardly, weak-minded thing and support McCain on his radical transformation plan. The bandwagon effect will push it thru against the will of the American People.

McCain will be able to argue that his way is the future of the Republican Party and will pull enough Republicans over to give cover to the Dem's to push this through.

Having a Democrat President to oppose on this, will take away the bi-partisanship (both parties screw Americans) and make it a Democrat play. Republicans can then reach out to moderate Democrats and Black Americans, who are already being hurt by illegal immigration.

It would be impossible to go up against a newly elected Republican President and kill this plan.

49 posted on 02/03/2008 11:12:58 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: RightWhale

McCain still isn’t a radical conservative. He’s just a radical.


50 posted on 02/03/2008 11:14:05 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

A person can’t be just a radical. He must be a radical something or nothing at all.


51 posted on 02/03/2008 11:16:13 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: sam_paine

Are you serious or joking? Nobody wants more vanities. I wrote and posted this, because I haven’t seen anyone put it together, about what McCain is attempting to do with the combination of open borders, amnesty, family re-unification, pro-bilingualism and anti-English. Once you put that package together, you get MexAmerica. It won’t be your father’s America.


52 posted on 02/03/2008 11:20:36 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: RightWhale

If we stay home next November what happens to the conservative candidates (and even a few Republicans) who are in tight elections or re-elections. I may not vote for McCain, but I know who is running against Susan Collins-Tom Allen, a fellow Rhodes Scholar with Bill. So stay at home we don’t get just Hillary-we get Clinton Clones.


53 posted on 02/03/2008 11:21:49 AM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: kabar

Gee, thanks, Kabar. It’s worse than I said. At least, I’m not being radical about it.


54 posted on 02/03/2008 11:22:55 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Revolting cat!
More cowbell?

You've got it.

55 posted on 02/03/2008 11:27:56 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
It won’t be your father’s America.

Wrong.

This IS our father's and grandfather's America.

50% of the electorate voted for Kerry and Gore...hello?

The Great Society baby boomers sure as he!! got us here with the socialist public schools and Nightly News soundbites.

MCCAIN VS HILLARY IS YOUR FATHERS AMERICA. We started losing this election 20 years ago when Reagan gave us Establishment Candidate GHW Bush.

56 posted on 02/03/2008 11:28:58 AM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: RightWhale

OK, he’s a radical multi-culturalist. Feel better?


57 posted on 02/03/2008 11:32:49 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Jabba the Nutt

You are far from being radical. Unfortunately, most of the American people are woefully uneducated about immigration and its impact. They have swollowed the liberal pap that immigration is an unqualified good. The politicians like it that way, but their spin only goes so far. Eventually, the people will wake up, but it might be too late.


58 posted on 02/03/2008 11:33:25 AM PST by kabar
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To: Jabba the Nutt; moderate_conservative
McCain campaign get out the vote workers

>You’ll vote for McCain, since the Rat’s nominee will be Hitlery

Dream on.

59 posted on 02/03/2008 11:34:35 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Maine Mariner
I think by 'staying home', people mean they won't vote for President or will vote Third Party. Presidential elections traditionally drive up the number of voters. Having an anti-Republican base candidate for President will naturally drive down the number of Republicans voting.

This may actually be an attractive idea to get Republican-voters to the polls, ignore the Presidency, but be sure to vote for your Senate and House candidates. If there's a GOP blow out lower down the ticket, you have only the top line candidate to blame; McCain.

I still don't know, who is voting for McCain and why. I've yet to read a coherent argument for McCain.

60 posted on 02/03/2008 11:37:26 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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