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State of the Union 2008 LIVE THREAD
January 28, 2008

Posted on 01/28/2008 4:10:20 PM PST by lonestar67

Edited on 01/28/2008 6:39:39 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: jackv
"I’m glad to read this. I rarely check in anymore because of all the back biting vitriol regarding this president. Anyone who doesn’t adhere to the “conservative” views on this site get attacked as if they are the enemy. Seems many will be waiting for the perfect conservative til they die. No wonder they call us the stupid party."

Amen to that.

1,981 posted on 01/29/2008 9:23:27 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: PresbyRev
"I didn’t tell Jorge to be an open-borders, pro-amnesty globalist."

You must be a HUGE fan of President Reagan's then. And who is "Jorge"?

1,982 posted on 01/29/2008 9:32:12 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: LUV W

Thank you LUV. I sometimes spend 8 hours or more on an animation.

I can recall ‘d’ posts in late 2002, not as large then, lol.


1,983 posted on 01/29/2008 9:35:37 AM PST by potlatch ("Kindness is more important than wisdom, the recognition of this is the beginning of wisdom" - Rubin)
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To: cake_crumb
Closing the borders is a STPUD thing to do,

not as STPUD as your neo-con pap.

you and Bush have your heads up your collective fundaments.

ps. don't assume I am not a Mason.

1,984 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:55 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: svcw

I mentioned the SC judges, the tax cuts will be taken away and you must be joking about the economy. Next you’ll tell me the borders are secure.


1,985 posted on 01/29/2008 9:45:36 AM PST by mad puppy (I'd rather live a day on my feet than a year on my knees)
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To: mad puppy

No I am not joking about the economy.


1,986 posted on 01/29/2008 9:48:33 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: plain talk

I can agree with that. The part that bothers me wrt W is that I think he really could have been great had he simply stuck to his original plans and not tried to please everyone.... particlarly trying to gain favor with Kennedy on education. That was just dumb. If he does nothing this last year but build a fence, that would help too.


1,987 posted on 01/29/2008 9:49:59 AM PST by mad puppy (I'd rather live a day on my feet than a year on my knees)
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To: lonestar67

“No, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who... “


1,988 posted on 01/29/2008 9:50:48 AM PST by tumblindice
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To: Vaquero

Try giving a reason for your position. I did. You haven’t. Therefore, it’s your rhetoric that is “pap”.


1,989 posted on 01/29/2008 9:57:23 AM PST by cake_crumb (Even if you're unable to FIGHT to save your country, you CAN vote to save it.)
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To: All

I had to DVR the address and am just watching it now. After President Bush said, for people who want to pay more taxes, “I’m pleased to report the IRS accepts both checks and money orders!”...then the camera panned to Dems like Hillie and Biden, etc, in the audience and all you saw were sour faces amongst much other laughter. LOL!


1,990 posted on 01/29/2008 10:03:53 AM PST by KJC1
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To: bray
You seem to miss the Nucular Power proposals. That is the backbone of his energy proposal. Course that doesn’t feed your BDS or feed your conservative superiority complex

On your point about nuclear power, I actually do think (as he pointed out) that we DO need to wean ourselves off of oil and turn to alternative fuels of various types. Nuclear? That could be okay. I'm not sure it's the most cost effective, but okay, maybe.

The point needs to be, though, that progress in this area is not going to come from government development or government funding (if anything I think they've been more of a hindrance than anything), but rather it SHOULD come from private scientists, inventors and entrepreneurs. They nearly always do a better job and do it more cost-efficiently than the government does.

1,991 posted on 01/29/2008 10:09:39 AM PST by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: cake_crumb

1941.....we went to war. we chose allies. We fought to win. we sent forces to protect our borders and we put possible enemy aliens in concentration camps. We secured our fuel supplies as an emergency measure of war.

Bush, like his father hemmed, hawed, performed surgical strikes (nothing beats a conflagration, taking out a major city completely to break an enemy’s spirit, just ask the survivors of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki )

No, Bush fights the war like we fought Viet Nam, and it is being prosecuted by a bunch of old granny politicians.

You either fight a war or you crawl back into your hole....we are doing neither, we are doing it piecemeal, a little from column A and little from column B.

Too much reason...too much politics...too many positions to listen to. NO ACTION...NO BALLS.


1,992 posted on 01/29/2008 10:13:46 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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To: Bishop_Malachi

Thank you. You help me make my point. It does no good to talk small government on one hand if you’re just going to vote for a bigger one on the other.


1,993 posted on 01/29/2008 10:14:13 AM PST by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: STARWISE

whatever


1,994 posted on 01/29/2008 10:21:06 AM PST by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: STARWISE

whatever


1,995 posted on 01/29/2008 10:21:16 AM PST by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: lonestar67
There are no Conservative Presidents who have done the criteria you describe as necessary.

I am fed up with hypothetical conservatism that pretends there is a perfect conservative coming to power somewhere. Reagan was no such person, nor is Bush. This is just cantankerous personal attitudes parading as some sort of virtue.

I do not see it.

The point is that if we don't incessantly demand it, we will NEVER get a president who does practice real conservatism. We can't give passes to half-hearted or even out-and-out fake conservatives and expect anything to get better or become more conservative. If we don't actually care about making things more conservative then we ought to just say so and stop pretending that we DO want things to be more conservative. But I for one do actually WANT our leadership and government to become more conservative, and, that being so, I have no choice but to continue hammering that home every chance I get.

We don't get good government by just sitting back and accepting their flaws. We have to continually push them to become better---even when we have politicians who are already pretty good like Reagan was. "Iron sharpens iron."

1,996 posted on 01/29/2008 10:24:38 AM PST by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: MarcoPolo

On the way to a balanced budget in 2012. Not an insignificant accomplishment if FedGov actually gets there.


1,997 posted on 01/29/2008 10:27:16 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: WalterSkinner

Great.


1,998 posted on 01/29/2008 10:34:00 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: RightWhale
I would LOVE to see a balanced budget. That would be significant as well, but only if it is matched with several things: 1. cutting all pork barrel spending (including pet ones like international AIDS funding and ALL federal education funding) 2. actual aggressive repayment of our 9 trillion dollar national debt 3. gradual phase-out of federal programs such as Social Security, Medicare and other federal welfare benefits.

Without these three accompanying actions, a balanced budget may set back the time on the time bomb which is our national debt but will never be able to actually remove the problem or alleviate the almost certain financial meltdown that is coming our way in the next few decades due to our overwhelming entitlements we've promised through programs like Social Security and Medicare.

I, like you, would certainly applaud a balanced budget though as a good early step in the process. Let's see if they'll actually go through with it or not.

1,999 posted on 01/29/2008 10:37:00 AM PST by MarcoPolo (Say yes to Dr. No!)
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To: MarcoPolo

Since the items mentioned aren’t happening and won’t ever be happening in this life, we’ll just have to play the hand. They are way beyond any econ theory.


2,000 posted on 01/29/2008 10:40:10 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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