Posted on 01/21/2008 8:28:00 AM PST by lormand
With popularity comes notoriety. That’s the lesson Ron Paul is learning as the nation observes Martin Luther King Day and the GOP presidential contender bears the burden of disparaging comments, made in a newsletter bearing his name, about the slain civil rights leader and the national holiday that honors him.
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Crazy Train ping
Why ARE we honoring MLK when we now know he was a plagiarist and was repeatedly unfaithful to his wife? Is MLK the first affirmative action figure in US history?
On the other thread you pinged me to, a aPaulogist (note: I claim ownership of that name) says Fox News isn’t credible. Right out of socialist talking points.
Plus MLK was a commie - and they only killed 100 million in the last century!
Martin Luther King was a serial adulterer, a plagiarist, and an associate of Communists. Of course, he also demonstated great personal courage. But is astonishing that we are no longer permitted to talk about his undoubted flaws.
Perhaps that can be addressed on another forum. I'm just enjoying all this cult worship from Ron Paul Zombies who are using MLK as a campaign tool to show his lust for "Freedom", only to have these stories surface.
aPaulogists sure give us plenty of material to use eh?
The Devil is in the details. Really!
I’m no Ron Paul fan whatsoever but I’m not much on Martin Luther King either.
Sure he looks better than Stokley Carmichael or Huey Newton but still his flowery rhetoric aside, he was a real socialist and serious lefty.
It galls me that he gets a national holiday over so many more deserving people just for one reason.
Personally, I think he is a traitor. But hey, libertarians and anarchists are brothers, so who cares about treason right?
Why don’t we hear these comments from Paul these days?
If he believes them and they are true, why doesn’t Paul use them in a speech?
It seems to me that Paul has already disavowed the comments about MLK, which puts Paul supporters in an awkward position...
Paul’s supposedly a good stand-up guy and he didn’t say anything wrong, yet he won’t stand-up and say the same thing today...
btw
why do you even care about Ron Paul?
he’s a non-issue in this presidential race...a conversation piece at best and if he breaks off I think he’ll carry more left wing youngsters than anything else.
race baiting on a conservative forum should be eschewed
one of the bulwarks of the NeoCon platform is a worship of MLK and the notion that anyone who questions that must be a racist
geez....how great Conervatism is today....just look at ALL our frontrunners to see how friggin great we’re doing right now..lol
the leadership of the GOP from Bush down is about as worthless as tits on a boar
Martin Luther King led a successful peaceful protest against discrimination in America. He is an important figure in American History despite his character flaws.
Oh, how “aPAULing”.
yawn.
What he said isn’t shocking. Well, wait. Problem is Paul is denying he made lots of statements printed over some 12 years, and is now making nice-nice about MLK.
Not sure what all that is about.
But if he really said those things and stood by them, I wouldn’t blame him.
Big deal.
MLK may not have been the worst in the world, but I doubt he’s the saint we must hail every year this *Monday* (as usual, never the real date, so everyone can have a long weekend). Hailed with multudinous parades, TV spots, TV news blurbs, newspaper editorials and articles, city-area awards for kiddies who pander to this stuff with words about MLK and “courage”, etc.
Meanwhile, the white guys get nothing. Well, close to it (Lincoln gets more than anything, being he is PC again because of the black thing). Mostly what they get is CAR SALES!!!! Woohoo!
Where have i seen this before? Oh yea.. David Duke loves Pat Buchanan... This type of smear works every time. This thread is proof.
I'm withya on both.
However, the Ron Paul cult is actively trying to tie their wagon to anything that could give him a boost.
As part of the Ron Paul cult, some of our very own here on Freerepublic produce videos and post them on Youtube claiming the Ron Paul is on par with MLK because both were champions of freedom
Here is one...Free At Last
aPaulogists love to use talking points they believe fit an occasion, regardless of how they agree with, or contradict, previous points.
For instance: We beat a dead horse because Paul won’t get the GOP nomination anyway. vs. Paul is out polling and out funding Thompson, Giuliani, etc.
So now we see an obviously political use of the circumstantial birthday of a revered Black American, to refute allegations that Dr. Paul has had highly derogatory remarks made under his masthead about the same individual in the past.. I’m curious what RuePaul’s 2007 (or 2006, or 2005, or...) statement about Dr. King’s birthday contained. After all, since Dr. Paul considers him such a great American, there had to be a similar statement made in 2007 or name the year, hadn’t there?
While your observations of his imperfections are valid, it’s also indisputable that flawed individuals are capable of profound accomplishments. (King David is a case in point). Such was the case with MLK. The issue of his day (overt discrimination on the basis of race) cried out for resolution, and he rose admirably to the challenge as the focal point of that struggle. America is a better place for his being in the right place at the right time in our history.
I agree with that....to me paul is kind of a kook...like Nader to the Dems
brings to mind the circular paradigm of political beliefs were left meets right at 6 and 12 o’clock
around here in nashville, paul is really big with Vandy lefties and east nashville bohemians...i guess for his pro dope and anti-war stuff
it’s funny though, they must not know some of his views..lol
Thanks for reminding me of the dangers of using crack cocaine.
You: "he’s a non-issue in this presidential race...a conversation piece at best and if he breaks off I think he’ll carry more left wing youngsters than anything else."
BTW, we're NOT race-baiting. We're discussing the obvious discrepancies between statements made out of both sides of RuePaul's mouth; whether through newsletter articles or statements such as the above. Such is fair game, and not race-baiting.
You want to support a candidate who has no problem accepting support and contributions from Truthers and racists, live with the consequences.
If we dissect the private lives of our leaders and discarded them for their flaws, we would shortly have no leaders at all. Good people can do bad things and still be worthy of honor.
King’s personal flaws, while bad, are not important in the scheme of things. What is important is that, largely thanks to King, the civil rights movement was not not exploited by communists who wanted things to devolve into a black vs. white race war that would have destroyed America. Blacks (and all of us) have been short-changed by false leaders like Jessee Jackson, but that is not really Dr. King’s fault. It is a pity that M.L.K. evidently never read Hayek’s “The Road to Serfdom.”
I like the way you said that.
THE SOFT-MARXISM THAT HAS PENETRATED AMERICA HAS SEEN THE ELIMINATION OF WASHINGTON AND LINCOLN’S HOLIDAYS(NOW CALLED “PRESIDENT’S DAY”). BUT, STRANGELY ONLY ONE MAN’S NAME NOW APPEARS AS A NATIONAL HOLIDAY. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW COULD THE NAMES OF THE MAN WHO LED THE CONTINENTAL ARMY AGAINST THE BRITISH AND FOUNDED OUR NATION, AND THE MAN WHO FREED THE SLAVES BE ELIMINATED FROM NATIONAL DAYS OF MEMORY? WHO DID THIS? REMEMBER PICTURES OF SADAAM’S STATUE BEING TOPPLED AFTER US TROOPS INVADED BAGDAD? WHAT IS IT THAT NATIONS’ DO WHEN ENEMY NATIONS ARE VANQUISHED? WHO INVADED OUR NATION? WHO VANQUISHED US? WHO ERECTED “STATUES” TO JUST ONE MAN? (PS, WILL THERE SOON BE A NATIONAL HOLIDAY FOR A HISPANIC WHO LED THE LETTUCE-PICKERS? TO PLACATE ILLEGAL ALIENS? JUST VOTE “D”.)
M. Savage
No, he’s a lot worse than a moron. He’s a cult leader and a fraud.
I find that disgusting coming from so called conservatives.
Ron Paul is a nobody and white supremacists are maybe 1/10,000th of the “right wing” electorate.
So why are you here trying to smear Paul and his supporters by association if not to preen for your own need to be self righteous.
I see this over and over here, conservatives who use race for the same self righteousness as Dems do.
Some even work together in groups...seminar callers as Rush calls them. Provocateurs with their own identity driven objectives....they run in packs on Southern threads
The reality is King did indeed talk about a color blind society but truthfully nobody wants it. The tool of race baiting is too mighty a siren for folks to feel that thirst to feel morally superior to the man/woman sitting next to them.
The new church lady of Saturday Night Live....a smug self righteous morally superior on everything race freeper.
That on a conservative forum folks tout the completely nonconservative MLK to bash a fellow GOPer say plenty.
So what if Paul may not be crazy about King? That is hardly the stamp of a white supremacist by itself.
Do you pursue racists of color with such vigor?
I've never "preed" in my life; whatever that is. And where have I touted my nobility? Where?
I find that disgusting coming from so called conservatives.
I find vocally supporting RuePaul's obvious use of Truthers and neo-Nazis disgusting for supposed conservatives claiming to be members of the party that ended slavery.
So why are you here trying to smear Paul and his supporters by association if not to preen for your own need to be self righteous.
Paul is smearing himself. We're just bringing it to light. Your intent is to blame the messenger when it's the message coming from Paul's campaign that's damning.
Some even work together in groups...seminar callers as Rush calls them. Provocateurs with their own identity driven objectives....they run in packs on Southern threads
Wouldn't know. Never been there, don't intend to go. Looks like you enjoy those threads, though.
The reality is King did indeed talk about a color blind society but truthfully nobody wants it. The tool of race baiting is too mighty a siren for folks to feel that thirst to feel morally superior to the man/woman sitting next to them.
So, you're calling me a racist? Why don't you just come out and say it. That's mighty big talk for someone who ignores the truth about Ron Paul, his writings, and his associations with Truthers and neo-Nazis.
The new church lady of Saturday Night Live....a smug self righteous morally superior on everything race freeper.
Since I don't watch Saturday Night Live (obviously you do), I have no idea what this incoherent, fractured sentence is about.
That on a conservative forum folks tout the completely nonconservative MLK to bash a fellow GOPer say plenty.
Paul opponents have not 'touted' MLK. We've recognized his faults. If anyone has 'touted' MLK it's here on this thread: Ron Paul on MLK, Jr.’s Legacy of Freedom posted by a Paul aPaulogist.
So what if Paul may not be crazy about King? That is hardly the stamp of a white supremacist by itself.
See the link above. Your statement isn't in sync with the latest Paul talking points.
Do you pursue racists of color with such vigor?
I have no use for racism, or anti-Semitism, wherever it comes from. And that's why Ron Paul's association with such scum is anathema to me. But it's obviously OK with you.
LOL! Since liberals don't have a real God, they have to create one. Conservatives may admire Ronald Reagan, Edmund Burke, or any number of other great figures, but they don't demand that everyone bow and scrape to them. There's nothing on the right comparable to the iconization of flesh and blood human beings we see on the left.
Just look at the mandatory photos of Castro or Stalin in everyone's home or shop in their respective nations. Recall all the photos of Mao that were all-encompassing, and how his worshipful followers walked around carrying little red books so that they could consult it every waking moment. What Would Mao Do?
We haven't yet reached that level of totalitarian thought control, thankfully. But the deification of Martin Luther King is pretty close. Any negatives about the man are covered up, and if they slip out, they're rationalized. Remember when it came out that King plagiarized his dissertation? We were told that it was commonplace for black preachers in the South to borrow sermons from one another, so King probably didn't know that he was doing something wrong. Of course, that didn't explain why he had footnoted passages he had quoted elsewhere in his dissertation.
King was a complicated man. There was both good and bad about him, and after reading his speech on the Vietnam War I lean more toward the view that the bad predominated.
It's really a shame that the GOP has drifted so far to the left that it feels a need to idolize someone who supported the enemy in the Vietnam War.
I'm no Paul supporter. But I think we can condemn true racial hatred, such as the Stormfronters, without going to the other extreme and elevating MLK to the level of a god.
Where’s his G-father clock???
Wiener attracts other shouters.
I wouldn't know.
If we dissect the private lives of our leaders and discarded them for their flaws, we would shortly have no leaders at all. Good people can do bad things and still be worthy of honor. Wonderful insight. I thought common sense and humor had been wiped out of this once great site but this post makes me think there might be some life left in the old beast.
I think a careful, honest reading of Dr. Paul's writings or comments on MLK would reveal that he is consistent in praising Dr. King's virtues and in criticizing his flaws. This is not flip-floping. Its just dealing with the complexities of human behavior.
Could be other factors involved.
Nope, that is the way it was printed. I wasn’t meaning to shout. What has this to do with the truth of M. Savage. Incidently, people in the media and hollywood change names routinely. Would you want a name like Weiner?
Seems you have matured to the name-calling level of the left.
“If we dissect the private lives of our leaders and discarded them for their flaws, we would shortly have no leaders at all. Good people can do bad things and still be worthy of honor.”
And such is/was the rationalization of Clinton-freaks.
I guess you would track these forums more then I do. So the problem is not Free Republic after all then. It seems to be endemic across all the forums. Conservatism has been wounded by somethig.
Any idea what is is?
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