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Brave New Future - Working together with stem cells.
National Review Online ^ | November 21, 2007 | An NRO Symposium

Posted on 11/23/2007 11:53:35 AM PST by neverdem







Brave New Future
Working together with stem cells.

An NRO Symposium

On Tuesday, two scientific journals announced news of a breakthrough that could put an end to our dead-end political debates about stem-cell research. In response to the news, National Review Online asked a group of experts: How big is Tuesday’s new somatic-cell reprogramming news? Where does the stem-cell/cloning debate go from here? How should politics respond? Here’s what they had to say.


William Hurlbut

The news represents very hopeful progress toward a complete resolution to the stem-cell impasse. I think the president deserves a lot of credit for challenging our nation to find a way forward with consensus. Likewise Rick Santorum and Norm Coleman in the Senate. It’s amazing and shameful that Congress couldn’t bring itself to support funding for such projects. Did you know that both Hillary and Obama voted against Coleman’s bill? Not what I’d call genuine leadership.

Another less evident but very important voice in this has been Mitt Romney. Three years ago he saw the “alternative methods” as a way forward through our national conflict and invited me back to the Massachusetts statehouse to talk with him about Altered Nuclear Transfer — and, in all fairness, I have to say that he struck me as genuinely and solidly pro-life at that time.

So, at least with regard to our national politics, it’s a sad chapter with a happy ending. It’s clear now there will be a solution, probably from both Direct Reprogramming and Altered Nuclear Transfer. If we hadn’t turned it into a partisan battle, the answer would have come months ago. If the money spent to fight over Proposition 71 (in California) and Amendment 2 (in Missouri) had been put to positive application in research, we might be years ahead of where we are now in advancing stem-cell research.

William B. Hurlbut is a physician and consulting physician at the Neuroscience Institute at Stanford University.


Leon R. Kass

Reprogramming of human somatic cells to pluripotency is an enormously significant achievement, one that boosters of medical progress and defenders of human dignity can celebrate without qualification. The evidence in the papers released Tuesday is complete and compelling: Cells as versatile and useful as embryonic stem cells, obtained without embryo creation and destruction or the need to exploit women for eggs. Best of all, these cells can be created from everyone — permitting the study of cells with different diseases and genetic makeup and, when stem-cell-based therapies eventually become available, providing rejection-proof tissues for personalized transplantation. The ethical and political benefits may be equally great. The alleged need for so-called therapeutic cloning — cloning embryos for research — is now passé. We can therefore disentangle the “life issue” of embryo-destruction from the “dignity issue” of baby manufacture, and enact a legislative ban on cloning and other degrading forms of baby-making, as recommended unanimously by the President’s Council on Bioethics: Prohibit all attempts to conceive a child by any means other the union of egg and sperm, both obtained from adults. Erecting such a barrier against the brave new world would be a great achievement, one that pro-lifers can now happily embrace without reservation.

Leon R. Kass, M.D., is Hertog Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.



Jennifer Lahl
Tuesday’s news on the somatic-cell reprogramming advances couldn’t have come at a better time. Amidst a cloning-research agenda that clamors for millions of human eggs and competes with the IVF industry to be able to pay hefty sums of money for those eggs, it is a great day to know that research will not progress at the expense of our young women. Kyoto University in particular, has quietly been pursuing techniques to reprogram human skin cells back to an embryonic-like state for some time now. The university’s strategic decision not to pursue embryo cloning research comes from a desire not to be embroiled in the ongoing fierce ethics debate — and they realize the dangerous health risks to young women in procuring their eggs. These researchers appear earnest in their pursuit of ethical science, and serious about the discovery of treatments for real patients that don’t come at the expense of others. Ends don’t always justify the means. And how we get somewhere is often more important than just getting there. For those of us who work tirelessly to stave off the cloning agenda, this is a happy day, one which we can be particularly thankful for this season!

— Jennifer Lahl is national director of the Center for Bioethics and Culture Network.


Peter Augustine Lawler

We’re clearly on the verge of developing one or more ways of readily acquiring pluripotent stem cells without having to destroy embryos. We can marvel that there is a technical solution to a moral problem, until we remember that the problem was the product of a very specific stage in scientific or technological progress. Even before the most recent breakthroughs, there was no reason not to expect such a solution.



This solution should be welcome news to all Americans. Fair-minded Americans see the nobility in both sides of our moral division over the destruction of embryos. Those who defend the embryo and those who promoted the unlimited progress of medical science both mean to serve human life, and it serves no one to believe that science — especially medical science — and morality are fundamentally opposed to each other. For our scientists, the moral resistance to the destruction of embryos — which they usually regard as nonsense-has gotten in the way of public funding for their research, not to mention grateful public acceptance of the beneficial results of their work.

Those who have resolutely defended the moral status of even early-term embryos have the most reason to cheer this latest episode of scientific progress. Their position would have probably become politically untenable had it turned out that the destruction of embryos is indispensable for the progress of regenerative medicine. But it turns out that it wasn’t only right — it was prudent — for them to hold out.

— Peter Augustine Lawler is Dana Professor of Government at Berry College and a member of the President’s Council on Bioethics.


Patrick Lee

Others have explained the truly momentous significance of this breakthrough from the standpoint of science and (eventually) health care. But this event also profoundly impacts the ongoing debate about the source and extent of human dignity. That debate has often been mistakenly characterized as a clash between science and religion. That is untrue: opposition to killing embryos has always been based on a combination of scientific facts (human embryos are distinct, whole human individuals at an early stage of development) and ethical reasoning open to all, religious or not (whole human individuals are subjects of rights and should not be dismembered to benefit others). Still, those of us who are religious should thank God for science, for scientists, and for men and women of principle who have persisted in this debate about human dignity. All are gifts from the creator (including those individuals who do not recognize him) and they bespeak the awesomeness of God’s creation. There is no deep-down, real opposition between science and religion. But today we should be especially grateful to practitioners of science. This recent work will surely help the most vulnerable among us, and we should be encouraged to continue our work for life.

— Patrick Lee is director of the Institute of Bioethics at Franciscan University of Steubenville.



Nikolas T. Nikas & Dorinda C. Bordlee
As Winston Churchill said, “Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.” In a perfect world, today’s remarkable scientific advance should pave the way to bring all sides of the embryonic-stem-cell/human-cloning debate together in a common quest for aggressive yet ethical stem-cell research. Well it’s not a perfect world, but this advance makes it a little more perfect.

If market forces were at work, human-embryo cloning for research would quickly be beaten out by the more competitive and efficient method of direct reprogramming, which makes it possible today for any scientist to create the long sought after patient-specific stem cell lines. But some science groups, not all, will continue to seek our tax-dollars to fund what is now obsolete, and still unethical. Those who respect human rights in science must remain in the arena of democracy to advocate for the basic principle that human life should never be created for the purpose of being destroyed. Today’s advance sets forth a unique and unexpected opportunity for people of good will to work together for patients rather than politics.

— Nikolas T. Nikas and Dorinda C. Bordlee of Bioethics Defense Fund, a public interest legal organization whose mission includes advocating for human rights in science through litigation, legislation and public education.


O. Carter Snead

It would appear that researchers have delivered a means of exploring the promise of pluripotent cells without instrumentalizing and destroying human embryos. In addition, somatic-cell reprogramming seems also to be scientifically more useful and interesting than the competing approaches. Unlike stem cells derived from embryos originally conceived in the assisted reproductive context, iPS cells are patient-specific. Moreover, somatic cell reprogramming is further along than human cloning (i.e., somatic-cell nuclear transfer), which, as yet, has failed to produce a human embryo from which stem cells can be derived. So, congratulations to these brilliant scientists who through their ingenuity have apparently resolved one of the most controversial public policy issues in American life.

It is crucial at this point to remember what made this development possible. In addition to the genius of the researchers who pioneered this new technique, an equal share of credit must be given to those in the public square who insisted that cutting-edge biomedical research can and must respect ethical principles. Without these voices there would have been no incentive to pursue methods that respect the life of human beings at all stages of development. Such efforts added fuel to the fire of genius that drove these scientists to reach this extraordinary result.

— O. Carter Snead is an associate professor of law at the University of Notre Dame.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: adultstemcells; escr; ipsc; stemcellresearch; stemcells

1 posted on 11/23/2007 11:53:38 AM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 11/23/2007 11:55:57 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting this, neverdem.


3 posted on 11/23/2007 12:12:21 PM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, to RE-WIN SK's freedom.)
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To: neverdem

Nah, it will not stop the political struggle because the libs aren’t so much interested in stem cell research as they are in creating a divisive political issue.

As an aside, they could done this 10 years ago, and we would be 10 years further ahead in stem cell research. Instead, they fixated on embryonic stem cells, and slowed down the progress.


4 posted on 11/23/2007 12:56:54 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: neverdem
We can therefore disentangle the “life issue” of embryo-destruction from the “dignity issue” of baby manufacture, and enact a legislative ban on cloning and other degrading forms of baby-making

OK, for the sake of argument, why is a ban on cloning for reproduction a desirable thing? When human cloning becomes practical, why shouldn't a person choose to create a clone of him/herself instead of having a child with another? As long as the procedure doesn't subject the clone to some disability, and as long as the "parents" undertake to raise and care for their clones as they would any other child, where's the harm? Why is government legislation against such a thing needed?

I've noticed Mr. Kass making pronouncements about "human dignity" and such when it comes to such issues. I fail to see why his opinions about dignity should affect anyone else's options for parenthood and reproduction.
5 posted on 11/23/2007 1:20:28 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: neverdem; MHGinTN; cpforlife.org; Coleus

I found out what it means to have my “Plasmid cart” empty!
http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/2007/11/buy-yamanaka-stemcell-factors.html
Thanks for posting the stories and links.

I’ve been lost in the minutiae - I’ve been writing my “translations” - or very simple reviews - of the reports and trying to explain what I think I understand about the reports. Someone asked me about the protein markers and I got lost in Google for a day. I had no idea how intricate the regulation of early embryos is - even with the very limited knowledge that I believe we have so far.

Isn’t the goal cures and treatments for disease? Preferably, we’ll stimulate stem cells in situ, and we’ll settle for transplantable patient-specific cells. (Actually, for rapid access, we’ll want to keep some cultured and at least nearly-ready to go.)

The results reported this week appear to be more accessible for everyone - not just the rich elite who are able to pay for or barter for eggs.

Look at the Takahashi, et. al., papers. There were no human embryos or human embryonic stem cells used.

On the other hand, Thomson’s lab used both embryonic stem cells and fetal cells - doesn’t look like he was “hobbled” at all.

Aren’t we closer to the goal than we were or would be if labs were going all out to clone humans by SCNT?

Any one who doubts that the fuss and bother is about God, abortion, and hating the politicians who stand for the first and against the last, take a look at (and respond, if you feel like it) at the bloggers over at Scienceblogs.
http://scienceblogs.com/channel/24-hours/?utm_source=rightcol&utm_medium=link&utm_content=topmodule

I think there’s only one believer who owns a blog over there, and I don’t know any who are admittedly pro-life, much less someone who is halfway happy about the reprogramming of adult stem cells.
For fun, or aggravation, read Pharyngula http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/11/the_logic_that_makes_him_confi.php

or “Science Activist” whose head line was a semi-sarcastic “Thousands of Researchers Now Jobless”
http://scienceblogs.com/scientificactivist/2007/11/embryonic_stem_cell_debate.php


6 posted on 11/23/2007 2:06:36 PM PST by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Is your background in the biological sceinces?... I’m trying to decide at level of complexity to address your question.


7 posted on 11/23/2007 2:22:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Aw, what the heck, I'll give the layman's version.

The mixing of 23 chromosomes from one human and 23 chromosomes from another human makes for strengthening the gene pool, whereas continuing to use the same chromosomes from generation to generation (as in SCNT cloning for reproduction) makes the pool vulnerable to a 'floater', a mutattion of virus or bacterial enemy that can wipe out all the inflexible genetic off-spring ... the mixing each generation makes for greater flexibility in the face of new microbial assault. And from a human side, why would you want to breed out what might arise anew in the gene pool since eliminating the potentiation of new expression makes the species a dull sameness since we bring our culture and knowledge forward from generation to generation.

8 posted on 11/23/2007 2:28:27 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; MHGinTN; syriacus; Coleus; Peach; airborne; Asphalt; Dr. Scarpetta; ...
OK, for the sake of argument, why is a ban on cloning for reproduction a desirable thing? When human cloning becomes practical, why shouldn't a person choose to create a clone of him/herself instead of having a child with another? As long as the procedure doesn't subject the clone to some disability, and as long as the "parents" undertake to raise and care for their clones as they would any other child, where's the harm? Why is government legislation against such a thing needed?

I've noticed Mr. Kass making pronouncements about "human dignity" and such when it comes to such issues. I fail to see why his opinions about dignity should affect anyone else's options for parenthood and reproduction.

http://www.isscr.org/public/reproductive.htm

It's not looking practical any time soon.

9 posted on 11/23/2007 3:20:29 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: MHGinTN
Aw, what the heck, I'll give the layman's version.

Thanks, that's the version appropriate for me and I found your explanation informative.

The mixing of 23 chromosomes from one human and 23 chromosomes from another human makes for strengthening the gene pool, whereas continuing to use the same chromosomes from generation to generation (as in SCNT cloning for reproduction) makes the pool vulnerable to a 'floater', a mutattion of virus or bacterial enemy that can wipe out all the inflexible genetic off-spring

I can understand this concern if we're talking about multiple generations of clones, but we're not talking about a practice that will replace normal human breeding. Cloning for reproduction would most likely be done by people who because of social circumstance, disease, or some other personal reason are unable to have children by normal means. Cloning would not only enable these people to have the experience of raising a child, it would also give their genes another lifetime of opportunity to contribute to the gene pool by normal means.

And from a human side, why would you want to breed out what might arise anew in the gene pool

Again, this is only a concern if a sizable percentage of the human population replaces normal reproduction with cloning. I can't conceive of this happening. But it's a little frightening to see Dr. Kass invoke such subjective and ill-defined terms as "human dignity" to argue that all human cloning should be banned. There's a serious ethical argument to be made against creating and destroying embryonic clones. But I don't see a reason to indiscriminately disallow human cloning for the purpose of reproduction.
10 posted on 11/23/2007 3:32:06 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for the links.


11 posted on 11/23/2007 3:35:02 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; neverdem; Coleus; Mr. Silverback; NYer; hocndoc
"Cloning for reproduction would most likely be done by people who because of social circumstance, disease, or some other personal reason are unable to have children by normal means." Now you get the 'slippery slope' argument.

Aside from the secular humanist pleading which implies God messed up and some cannot have children by 'normal means' so we in science will fix His mess with our technology, the argument not to start this crap goes something like this. I am old enough to remember when IFV was being argued for on the same grounds you now employ to plead this cloning for reproduction. The groundwork had been laid with artificial insemination, which was first used on plants, then animals, and eventually on humans 'unable to have children by normal means.'

Artificial insemination lead inexorably to in vitro fertilization because what was the problem, the things being manipulated were no longer considered human beings yet so as commodities they could be viewed with utility as the primary goal, where the ovum (ova as it is practiced, actually, making 'extras with impunity) is united with sperm outside of the human body and then a selected few embryos are inserted into the woman's body for implantation. Because this process has stamped 'commodity' upon human embryos, they are no longer viewed as human beings at earliest age, which is of course what these 'to be implanted or stored' embryos are, very young human beings!

Playing God in this manner has lead to the dehumanization of humans at their earliest age in their developmental life, a developmental life which begins with conception and carries through to several years after birth.

How can you change your perspective, from viewing embryos as commodities, to seeing them for the very young humans they are? By opening your mind to the truth. The ovum is a cell, as a subunit of an organ from the female body. The sperm are cell subunits of an organ in the male body. The manipulation of these cells is not commoditizing a human being because these cells are not organisms. BUT the zygote conceived with the union of these two cells from organ subunits of two organisms are, you guessed it, ORGANISMS, human organisms! embryos from human conception are HUMAN ORGANISMS.

It is, at least at this late time in human History, still wrong in the minds of most Westerners to make commodities out of human beings. Now, in China and some other nations, that's not the case. And the way Islamic radicals view we Westerners, we are not Human beings worthy of preservation either. But do we really want to slide that far back down the ladder of civilization's climb from the slime?

If human beings of one class or culture can be viewed as merely less than human, where does the slide stop?... According to Darwin, it stops with the survival of the strongest, most fit ... after they have slaughtered off the competition or used them as commodities not worthy of protection for their humanity or ours, because humans have proven you cannot bring humans under total subjugation forever. Slaves eventually revolt if they survive under enslavement or are not rescued before revolting to kill their fat and lazy masters. Of course, embryos are not able to revolt, not consciously anyway, so there you have it! ... By making commodities out of our youngest human beings, we diminish ourselves immensely and perhaps irrevocably.

12 posted on 11/23/2007 6:22:16 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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13 posted on 11/23/2007 6:24:14 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Aside from the secular humanist pleading which implies God messed up and some cannot have children by 'normal means' so we in science will fix His mess with our technology

This reasoning can, of course, be applied to every birth defect and disease people suffer - all presumably were given to us by God, and therefore medicine has no business trying to cure them. I don't agree. If God objects to cloning or anything else man attempts, He'll tell us so. Directly, not through human interpreters.

the ovum (ova as it is practiced, actually, making 'extras with impunity) is united with sperm outside of the human body and then a selected few embryos are inserted into the woman's body for implantation.

This is the substance of your objection - that fertilized ova are discarded. I agree that this is ethically and morally wrong, though I keep in mind the enormous good IVF does for parents who could otherwise not have children. The fix for this is to improve the technology to the point where no excess embryos need to be created and discarded, not to end the technology.
14 posted on 11/23/2007 8:36:04 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Was my referring to the commoditization of humans at earliest age lost on you?


15 posted on 11/23/2007 8:51:07 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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16 posted on 11/24/2007 11:23:51 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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Thanks for the ping , very interesting.


17 posted on 11/24/2007 7:30:05 PM PST by sweetiepiezer (Duncan Hunter .....................a man of his word.)
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