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This is a growing problem and is different than buying a fake Rolex for $40 --a watch that the buyer knows is fake and obviously looks fake. People are paying several thousand dollars for knock-off Les Pauls. More and more of them are finding their way to these shores.

Many of these guitars are handcrafted by Chinese and Korean luthiers and so closely mimic the originals that experts from Gibson had to be called in to verify that the guitars were fake. In many cases, these instruments far surpass Gibsons in quality and playability!

1 posted on 09/18/2007 5:14:05 PM PDT by Drew68
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I was gonna say that they are probably a step up from Gibson’s current productions... but ya beat me to it!


2 posted on 09/18/2007 5:19:06 PM PDT by whatexit
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In many cases, these instruments far surpass Gibsons in quality and playability!

Now that's interesting.

3 posted on 09/18/2007 5:20:07 PM PDT by bubbacluck
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Heritage guitars are made in the old Gibson factory in Kalamazoo Michigan by some of the same luthiers that made Gibsons before they moved to Nashville. These are very high quality guitars but are a bit cheaper than the Gibsons. They make guitars that are similar to pretty much every model Gibson makes or made (e.g. ES-175, ES-335, Les Paul, etc. etc.). Worth a look if you’re in the market.
4 posted on 09/18/2007 5:22:00 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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I used to own a J-45, many years ago.


5 posted on 09/18/2007 5:22:57 PM PDT by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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wait till we get swamped with Supernotes.


6 posted on 09/18/2007 5:23:47 PM PDT by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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About 2 years ago I went to a local music store to by a Gibson SG. I have been playing guitar since 1975 and I was always a Srat man. I gave myself a two thousand dollar budget. I played about 5 SGs in the store and told the store owner that Gibson’s quality is surely lacking these days. The guitars were Crap! Action sucked. Finish did not look professional. Sound wasn’t what I expected. My cousin bought a SG in 1972 and he still has it. What a fine guitar that is! That’s what I was expecting. I think they were all Chicom knock offs.
9 posted on 09/18/2007 5:25:28 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Sorry Mr. BOR.)
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Many of these guitars are handcrafted by Chinese and Korean luthiers and so closely mimic the originals that experts from Gibson had to be called in to verify that the guitars were fake. In many cases, these instruments far surpass Gibsons in quality and playability!

Interesting statement. I suppose the chinese and koreans will knock off basses, drums and cymbals next, then corner the market on musical instruments.....oh wait. to late..... On an a side note, I have a Lee Jackson Metaltronics (complete with instructions signed by Lee Jackson) and a few very nice really beautiful old tube amps that I will keep for my kids.....enjoy your chinese junk.....

14 posted on 09/18/2007 5:38:04 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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It's been a long time problem with Fender guitars, and many custom guitars as well...

Here's "my baby:"

And "my baby" on a visit to "her papa" for some loving care last December:

That's Carl Thompson with my bass that he built back in December of 1975, one of the first dozen or so he built.

Mark

18 posted on 09/18/2007 5:39:54 PM PDT by MarkL (Listen, Strange women lyin' in ponds distributin' swords is no basis for a system of government)
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Having owned several of these now “vintage guitars” I don’t see what all the hubub was about. In most cases, the originals had very poor quality of materials and workmanship. I guess that it that they are now 50 years old and that is the allure.

My latest axe is a custom guitar where the materials and workmanship are second to perfect and about the same price as the average Gibson.

I have a mid-70’s Gibson ES347 which is pretty smooth and of excellent quality. Many of the mid-70’s to mid-80’s Les Paul’s had some pretty funky quirks about them with setting up the intonation and harmonics and would not sustain very well.


22 posted on 09/18/2007 5:45:30 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather.)
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com except mine is a 1962, this ones a 1963

23 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:05 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist)
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Another clueless poster without a clue as to what state, or even country this story is about.

Nope; not worth going digging for...

24 posted on 09/18/2007 5:47:34 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Here's mine (OK, same year, model and color - 68 LesPaul)


25 posted on 09/18/2007 5:49:14 PM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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I’ve been buying and selling old guitars since about 1968. I used to insist on playing older, vintage guitars with fetish value. But as the prices of these older instruments has climbed, I now feel that much of the hoopla is pure fetish. There are valid arguments on both sides of the old vs. new issue.

On one hand, to some extent, most musical instruments (other than the violin family) are mechanical devices plus sounding devices. It is true that for most acoustic instruments, aged woods can impart tonal qualities that simply cannot be duplicated with newer woods. That is, if they were quality instruments to begin with. Not all old ones are great guitars. It is also true that SOME high quality older instruments have certain intangible inspirational qualities to them. Some of this is imaginary, but some is not. I’ve owned and played older guitars that have amazing “vibe” to them.

But, as a fan of Strats and having owned well over a hundred vintage examples over the years, I recently bought a near new one on ebay, never having actually played it. I knew, though, from playing others of that specific model, that this model had a neck profile that I really liked, was unavailable elsewhere, and was a precision-made deal. I’m about the last one who would reco a new guitar over and old one, but this one utterly devastates any one of the six 35+ year old ones I own. Maybe tonally it isn’t quite as good as my favorite old ones, but it’s better in every quantifiable way. And after you run it through effects and whatever, the tonal differences are pretty much swamped.

Better or worse, older or newer, is pretty subjective. I owned a 1959 Strat that was an absolute dog, both sound wise and playability wise. I’ve owned a very low-end Squier guitar, which is a Korean $139 Strat that had a killer, knockout neck and made a super guitar with a drop-in pickup upgrade ($150). I will say that a brand new or near new guitar (or most any other instrument) will tend to have much more uniform mechanics. Likewise, older instruments in the era I happen to prefer (say 1957-1968) more often than not have wear-based mechanical issues that (in some, many cases) you can’t fix because fixing them will de-originalize them, and/or they are too valuable to take out and jam on in a sleazy bar. In fact, the more valuable some of these things get, the more they seem like liabilities.


26 posted on 09/18/2007 5:53:19 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (When Bubba lies, the finger flies!)
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Ok. Real or fake....



This guitar is listed as a 2007 Epiphone. And yet, the
serial number on the head stock reveals...

"Guitar Info
Your guitar was made at the
Nashville Plant, TN, USA
May 23rd, 2003
Production Number: 447 "

Answer: FAKE

These Chinese manufacturers generally copy numbers from real Gibsons to put on their fakes.

Often it's just a matter of looking up real ones for sale on Ebay and stealing the numbers.

Chinese Les Paul


28 posted on 09/18/2007 6:04:02 PM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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How can I tell the difference between an original Gibson Air Guitar and a cheap knock off?


32 posted on 09/18/2007 6:09:43 PM PDT by lowbridge ("We control this House, not the parliamentarians!” -Congressman Steny Hoyer (D))
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I did some google research on these Chicom Gibsons when I noticed them en mass on eBay last year. It was something about buying a ‘59 Les Paul re-issue for $20 with $175 shipping that made me curious.

End result was I found an Chicom goods importer website where they had thousands of items that had to be ordered in bulk and could be customized to your specs, whatever you wanted it to look like they would do; The musical instrument inventory section showed a picture of a knock-off Les Paul.


37 posted on 09/18/2007 6:17:53 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (Reunite Gondwanaland!)
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My $150 Chinese Epiphone plays better than my 1972 Les Paul Anniversary special (which I sold).


38 posted on 09/18/2007 6:18:58 PM PDT by admiral52 (Vanity license plate: IMGPNG)
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Many of these guitars are handcrafted by Chinese and Korean luthiers and so closely mimic the originals that experts from Gibson had to be called in to verify that the guitars were fake. In many cases, these instruments far surpass Gibsons in quality and playability!

I beg to differ. They are made "after hours" in the Epiphone factories in China, but they use crap wood (usually plywood). They're not anywhere close to real Gibsons in terms of construction or playability. These things flooded ebay about a year ago, and it was just a matter of time before they started showing up in the US on resale.

49 posted on 09/18/2007 6:34:17 PM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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a person with skill in their hands and in their heart can make a daisy-rock guitar sing.


59 posted on 09/18/2007 6:47:43 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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Later bump


85 posted on 09/18/2007 7:25:48 PM PDT by citabria (Zoom, zoom, Boom, boom)
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