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Astronomers puzzled by cosmic black hole (patches in the universe where nobody's home)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 8/23/07 | Seth Borenstein - ap

Posted on 08/23/2007 7:36:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - Astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. That's got them scratching their heads about what's just not there.

The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter.

It is 1 billion light years across of nothing. That's an expanse of nearly 6 billion trillion miles of emptiness, a University of Minnesota team announced Thursday.

Astronomers have known for many years that there are patches in the universe where nobody's home.

In fact, one such place is practically a neighbor, a mere 2 million light years away. But what the Minnesota team discovered, using two different types of astronomical observations, is a void that's far bigger than scientists ever imagined.

"This is 1,000 times the volume of what we sort of expected to see in terms of a typical void," said Minnesota astronomy professor Lawrence Rudnick, author of the paper that will be published in Astrophysical Journal. "It's not clear that we have the right word yet ... This is too much of a surprise."

Rudnick was examining a sky survey from the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, which essentially takes radio pictures of a broad expanse of the universe. But one area of the universe had radio pictures indicating there was up to 45 percent less matter in that region, Rudnick said.

The rest of the matter in the radio pictures can be explained as stars and other cosmic structures between here and the void, which is about 5 to 10 billion light years away.

Rudnick then checked observations of cosmic microwave background radiation and found a cold spot. The only explanation, Rudnick said, is it's empty of matter.

It could also be a statistical freak of nature, but that's probably less likely than a giant void, said James Condon, an astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. He wasn't part of Rudnick's team but is following up on the research.

"It looks like something to be taken seriously," said Brent Tully, a University of Hawaii astronomer who wasn't part of this research but studies the void closer to Earth.

Tully said astronomers may eventually find a few cosmic structures in the void, but it would still be nearly empty.

Holes in the universe probably occur when the gravity from areas with bigger mass pull matter from less dense areas, Tully said. After 13 billion years "they are losing out in the battle to where there are larger concentrations of matter," he said.

Retired NASA astronomer Steve Maran said of the discovery: "This is incredibly important for something where there is nothing to it."


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KEYWORDS: astronomers; astronomy; blackhole; cosmic; discovery; enjoythevoid; nobodyshome; patches; puzzled; space; universe; xplanets
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1 posted on 08/23/2007 7:36:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Bush’s fault.


2 posted on 08/23/2007 7:38:03 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: NormsRevenge

Not even a restaurant?


3 posted on 08/23/2007 7:39:21 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: NormsRevenge

The more we come to know, the more we should realize that we know very little about the universe.


4 posted on 08/23/2007 7:40:24 PM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s the ‘nothing’


5 posted on 08/23/2007 7:42:32 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: Salamander

Come on! There MUST be a Taco Bell there!


6 posted on 08/23/2007 7:43:08 PM PDT by jrestrepo
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Bush’s fault.

That's original. There's at least one of these "it's Bush's fault" on every thread now, for the last 3 years and it's really, really, really old. Come up with something new if you bother posting.
7 posted on 08/23/2007 7:43:37 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Bush’s fault.

Oh man,, Alright , you got it in..lol


patches in the universe where nobody’s home

That’s either a description of the DemocRatic Party and liberals in general, or what lurks between Pelosi and Reid’s ears.. for starters.


8 posted on 08/23/2007 7:43:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: Domandred

I used to sit next to a guy in HS choir, he was a deep thinker, smart as a whip and a nerd too, nice guy.

He used to enjoy talking about ‘nothing’ and that there still has to be something. He probably is working in some sort of scientific field.


10 posted on 08/23/2007 7:49:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: Salamander
You can just see a sign ..

NO services for next 1 billion light years.

11 posted on 08/23/2007 7:50:58 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge

“He probably is working in some sort of scientific field.”

Or Kinkos.


12 posted on 08/23/2007 7:51:52 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: NormsRevenge

Sounds like a great place to send terrorists ...... now THAT is a prison .....


13 posted on 08/23/2007 7:54:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: Blowtorch

How about it is caused by Global Warming!


14 posted on 08/23/2007 7:54:56 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Little Rock Ag

We have a starbucks across the street from another starbucks...

/boggle


15 posted on 08/23/2007 7:55:00 PM PDT by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
LOL,, so true.. career paths are tricky to nail down for some..

Ted Kennedy wanted to be a prospector as a kid , so did Jean Claude sKerry.

Who'da thought these 2 would end up as US Senators? ;-)

16 posted on 08/23/2007 7:58:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: SkyDancer

No...the best thing for terrorists is just shoot them off on a one-way blastoff toward the sun. “Osama...it is sure getting hot in here...”


17 posted on 08/23/2007 8:01:25 PM PDT by I slam Islam
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To: NormsRevenge

OOOOPPPPSSS... hold on, if the universe has been ever expanding since the Mythical big bang, how can there be an area that is defying physics and be void of stars, planets, etc?


18 posted on 08/23/2007 8:04:43 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: I slam Islam

Ok, well it could be Hell and we’ve just gotten a glimpse of it ...


19 posted on 08/23/2007 8:05:45 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: NormsRevenge

GOD’s been busy...too busy to put anything in those spots yet....just wait a few million light years....


20 posted on 08/23/2007 8:06:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter.

It is 1 billion light years across of nothing.


Wow! A cosmic representation of what happens when socialists take over!


21 posted on 08/23/2007 8:07:34 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: ontap
How about it is caused by Global Warming!

I would take that phrase any day, repeatedly, and for years to come over the most over-used and non-clever post that I won't even mention again. Thank you.
22 posted on 08/23/2007 8:10:23 PM PDT by Blowtorch
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To: Blowtorch

“That’s original. There’s at least one of these “it’s Bush’s fault” on every thread now, for the last 3 years and it’s really, really, really old. Come up with something new if you bother posting.”

Ok then “Its Cheney’s fault” :)


23 posted on 08/23/2007 8:13:03 PM PDT by Polynikes
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To: Walkingfeather
...Mythical big bang....

Obviously barring inflation then, what's your hypothesis?

I like learning.

24 posted on 08/23/2007 8:24:32 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: NormsRevenge

Like something out of The Farside - “The Big Bang” overshadowing it’s lesser known twin “The Big Nothing”


25 posted on 08/23/2007 8:25:54 PM PDT by Sterlis (My brain is full.....)
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To: Blowtorch

Rove, you magnificent bas...!


26 posted on 08/23/2007 8:25:57 PM PDT by 2111USMC
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To: NormsRevenge
Galaxies are known to be arranged in a “bubble” pattern - string of mater, starts and galaxies surrounding bubbles of empty space. This is not a new idea.
27 posted on 08/23/2007 8:26:31 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Walkingfeather

An empty area of the universe doesn’t defy physics at all. Otherwise it wouldn’t exist, you see.


28 posted on 08/23/2007 8:26:50 PM PDT by Sols
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To: NormsRevenge
The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter.

Heh... they left the lens cap on. How embarrassing!

29 posted on 08/23/2007 8:27:43 PM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Fido969

This is not a new idea.

That is true, this has been known for many years and remains a contentious area of discussion.

If folks click on the keyword ‘black holes’, FR has a few earlier threads on the topic.


30 posted on 08/23/2007 8:28:36 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
He used to enjoy talking about ‘nothing’ and that there still has to be something. He probably is working in some sort of scientific field.

Actually their is study into nothingness and it pertains to what may have been prior to the big bang. In my extremely limited understanding, "nothing" is thought to be an unstable state in which the big bang could have arisen from.

31 posted on 08/23/2007 8:34:09 PM PDT by fso301
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To: NormsRevenge

Either a cloaking device or a vast advanced civilization where they al use Dyson spheres.


32 posted on 08/23/2007 8:37:34 PM PDT by DBrow (You gotta walk it like you talk it or you lose that beat)
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To: Brakeman

“The more we come to know, the more we should realize that we know very little about the universe.”

That also goes for every other aspect of creation.


33 posted on 08/23/2007 8:39:01 PM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Sols

hmmm. let me work out the math.... hmmm carry the 2 ... er.. um ... I guess so?


34 posted on 08/23/2007 8:51:55 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hmmmm... full of dark matter and energy?


35 posted on 08/23/2007 8:52:13 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s the place to go when you want to get away from it all.


36 posted on 08/23/2007 9:00:37 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: NormsRevenge
All I see is a committee of Democrats working on a subsidy for this.
37 posted on 08/23/2007 10:05:26 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: Polynikes
Ok then “Its Cheney’s fault” :)

I've got big shoulders....... It's my fault.

38 posted on 08/23/2007 10:19:26 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Blowtorch
That's original. There's at least one of these "it's Bush's fault" on every thread now, for the last 3 years and it's really, really, really old. Come up with something new if you bother posting.

..How 'bout, That's one more void that's been found in our universe since President Bush declared an end to hostilities in Iraq.

lighten up, Francis.

39 posted on 08/23/2007 10:51:09 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: NormsRevenge

40 posted on 08/23/2007 10:56:12 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe this is the celestial block house where God ran to after He stated the Big Bang?


41 posted on 08/24/2007 9:28:56 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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stated = started. Possibly a Freudian slip since He spoke the universe into existence?
42 posted on 08/24/2007 9:31:21 AM PDT by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Karl Rove quits White House. Huge Black Hole discovered in universe. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

Not content with murdering brown people with hurricanes, he’s now targeting the entire universe! Evil!


43 posted on 08/24/2007 9:34:26 AM PDT by Spruce
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To: Rockitz

Could be, IT may be representative of the void that existed before Genesis began and our world came into being... or maybe it is where God can have some peace amidst this turbulent and most awesome latest creation and mull his next one.


44 posted on 08/24/2007 9:36:05 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge
"This is incredibly important for something where there is nothing to it."

This just about sums it up.

45 posted on 08/24/2007 9:36:55 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: RightWhale

As Roseanne Roseanna Danna said all too oft..

“It’s always something.”


46 posted on 08/24/2007 11:26:58 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline—1-866-DHS-2-ICE)
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To: NormsRevenge; shibumi

“He used to enjoy talking about ‘nothing’ and that there still has to be something”

“Nothing” is the absence of something, which qualifies it as a of being which is ~something~....:)


47 posted on 08/24/2007 11:53:47 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Blowtorch
Come up with something new if you bother posting.

My post was as necessary as yours. Pound sand.

48 posted on 08/24/2007 12:32:32 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: NormsRevenge

Come to think of it, Alan Dean Foster wrote a bunch of stories about Flinx and Pip, many involving a huge blank spot in the universe with something evil in it. Hmmm, I wonder?


49 posted on 08/24/2007 4:45:48 PM PDT by DBrow (You gotta walk it like you talk it or you lose that beat)
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To: Salamander
".....out here there are no stars......out here we is stoned.....immaculate."
50 posted on 08/25/2007 12:57:40 AM PDT by shibumi (".....panta en pasin....." - Origen)
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