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Was Thomas Jefferson an alarmist?
The Reference Frame | 08-20-07 | Lumo

Posted on 08/20/2007 9:27:51 PM PDT by Starman417

James Hansen has released a new scientific paper

The Real Deal: Usufruct & the Gorilla
reflecting the most rigorous kind of scientific "thinking" that this director of a NASA institute is capable or willing to perform. He explains that all global warming skeptics are controlled by big fish and that no errors in his work can ever matter. I suppose that everyone has already seen these "theories" and everyone could be bored if we responded again.

But there is a brand new "argument" in Hansen's new "paper", after all: it turns out that Thomas Jefferson was an AGW alarmist! Who could have thought? That should really settle the question about global warming! :-)



How does Dr Hansen prove that Thomas Jefferson was an alarmist? Well, he quotes a letter (click) that Jefferson sent to James Madison during their discussion about the Bill of Rights.
The question whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water. Yet it is a question of such consequences as not only to merit decision, but place also, among the fundamental principles of every government. ... I set out on this ground which I suppose to be self evident, "that the earth belongs in usufruct to the living;" that the dead have neither powers nor rights over it. ...
Hansen interprets this letter by saying that Jefferson was an environmentalist and the Earth belongs to living beings of all generations. He apparently wants you to believe that the "living" in Jefferson's letter means "Gaia" - the union of all plants, animals, and bacteria of all generations.

If you actually read the whole letter, it is very obvious that Jefferson's point was exactly the opposite. Jefferson said very explicitly that the past generations - the dead people - or the people who are not yet living have no right to control the resources that exist at a given moment or bind the future generations to pay any money (or land). That's a good policy because otherwise we would be governed by zombies which would be bad unless they would be lively zombies. ;-) According to Jefferson as well as any other person who understands some of the basic principles of Western democracy, a generation has no right to bind another generation, e.g. by carbon targets or a territorial debt.

Jefferson declares clearly that everything about these resources should be decided by the people who live at the particular moment. The Earth belongs to them in "usufruct". The purpose of this word - meaning the right to use assets of someone else - seems controversial but I certainly assume that the actual owner according to Jefferson is God or Nature and not future generations or anything of this sort. In the fast comments, I explain why Jefferson's "owner" is a secular version of God whose gift is described in Genesis 1:26.

If you wonder why I seem to think to have so much understanding for Jefferson's feelings, it's because I have spent the last six years in the Jefferson Lab. ;-) More generally, we've made trips to the museums of the Founding Fathers around Boston and I was extremely impressed by their souls and minds. The prominent figures of the Czech National Revival were great guys too but the Founding Fathers were a category above them.

It is very obvious that the "living" whom the Earth belongs to are those who live right now and not some people from other generations or even other animals. It is the living people who should decide how to use the resources and no other generation should have any impact on this behavior.

In the context of the environmentalist discussion, Jefferson explains that our generation will have no right to determine the rules of life for the future generations and no right to bind the future generations by protocols because in the future, we will be the dead people who have no business whatsoever to determine how they use Earth. And vice versa: no other generation has the right to determine how we use the resources today because only living people have powers and rights over Earth.

Jefferson even states another important rule quite crisply:
If the society has formed no rules for the appropriation of its lands in severalty, it will be taken by the first occupants.
In the context of fossil fuels, his sentence means that the first generation or generations have the right to use them. How it could be otherwise? The civilization would be completely dysfunctional if people who don't live right now had any rights to decide what happens tonight. Jefferson knows it, every sane person knows it - probably not only in the West. Hansen doesn't.

According to Jefferson, should our generation try to give gifts to the future generations out of the resources that, as he has explained, effectively belong to the living generation? Do these distant generations have such special relationships with each other and obligations with respect to each other? Once again, Jefferson is very transparent - maybe too transparent for our tastes, tastes of 21st century sissies - about the relationship that should exist between different generations:

... but that between society and society, or generation and generation, there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another.

If string theory or another law of Nature doesn't take care of it, there should exist no additional laws that would require societies or generations to sign "contracts" with others or feel any other kind of obligation. Can you read, Dr Hansen? Face it: environmentalism is a textbook example of the intellectual impurity that the Founding Fathers wanted America to be protected against.

While Jefferson says that different generations are independent and can't ever have any obligations to do something for other generations, Hansen "summarizes" Jefferson's principle as follows:

Jefferson's philosophy regarding generational relations was based on this "self-evident" principle. That we have an obligation to preserve Creation for today's and future generations is a widely held belief.
The operation that Hansen has performed is known as negation.

Because political correctness has confused many other topics including the natural relations between different nations, let me also say that when Jefferson talks about different nations, he means that the average love/hatred among them is also naturally near zero and they, too, have no lasting obligations in relations with each other. Do you find all these comments cruel? They may be cruel but they are the best definition of a fair relationship that the Founding Father ended up with after years of deep thought: a relationship based on free and dignified individuals, nations, societies, and generations who have the same rights during their lives. At any rate, his principle doesn't sound like the environmentalist thesis that the well-being of other generations should play a crucial role in the decisions of our generation. Quite on the contrary: I think that Jefferson says exactly the opposite.

Summary

To summarize, I find it bizarre that a director of a NASA institute uses an interpretation of a private letter of a person who lived centuries ago to influence the debate about environmentalism. Why? Well, Thomas Jefferson is dead and no longer living. According to his own rules, he has thus no rights or powers to determine what we do today. ;-)

It is a free decision of the current people to have respect for his ideas and achievements.

But I find it equally worrisome that James Hansen is not even able to understand the point of the letter - and the basic values or at least dreams of the Western democracy - properly and prefers to present it upside-down. If Thomas Jefferson were alive, he would completely agree with your humble correspondent and others that it is self-evident that one can't justify a policy influencing land or resources by referring to generations that are not alive right now because such a non-existent generation can have no right or powers about the Earth the belongs to the living in usufruct.

If you want to do something nice because it may (or may not) bring benefits in the future, it's great (or not), but you can never add "votes" of non-existing people to justify your proposed policies. You must rely on your own vote only. If environmentalists want other people to pay 400 billion USD a year, they want the world to pay the money to themselves, the environmentalists, to satisfy their desires, and they can't hide behind generations that are not alive. Quite obviously, this is hardly acceptable and it won't work.

And that's the memo. Via JunkScience.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; hansen; junkscience; nasa; thomasjefferson; warming
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1 posted on 08/20/2007 9:27:52 PM PDT by Starman417
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bumpola.


2 posted on 08/20/2007 11:18:26 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Starman417
Methinks the author doesn't spend enough time on the meaning of the word "usufruct."

It means the right to use something, as long as the something is not damaged or destroyed in the process.

It seems to me that Jefferson's concept has perfectly legitimate environmental consequences. The living of today should not destroy or excessively damage the environment. We do indeed have a moral obligation to leave a healthy ecosystem to future generations.

I believe a more appropriate criticism of Dr. Hansen's theory is its application. Somehow environmentalists always define the steps needed to protect the environment as involving exactly those policies they would prefer for ideological reasons even if the environment were not an issue. How convenient!

"Environmentalists" spend remarkably little time amongst themselves discussing which policies are best for the environment. Instead they proceed blithely on the assumption that this is already perfectly well known and all that remains is to implement the polcies against the opposition of the evil oil companies.

3 posted on 08/21/2007 4:43:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Scratch a liberal, find a dhimmi)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
One of those rare Early American history pings:
If you actually read the whole letter, it is very obvious that Jefferson's point was exactly the opposite.
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4 posted on 08/21/2007 11:05:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 20, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

clearly a case of historical revisionism,

which no doubt will taught in the pubic skools

as the truth.


5 posted on 08/21/2007 11:50:27 AM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs +2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: SunkenCiv; ken21
If we can’t trust the alarmists to interpret plain English writing truthfully, how can we trust them to interpret scientific data?
6 posted on 08/21/2007 12:02:55 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: Starman417

“Hansen interprets this letter by saying that Jefferson was an environmentalist and the Earth belongs to living beings of all generations.”

I had to debate a Professor/Philospher named Suzanne Shrader Freshette on this and related topics. It is a logical trap, because integrating the infinite sum of the concerns of all future generations leads to paralysis in the present.


7 posted on 08/21/2007 12:12:48 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: colorado tanker

you cannot.

ayn rand’s “the new left”

http://www.amazon.com/gp/search/ref=sr_adv_b/?search-alias=stripbooks&field-keywords=&author=ayn+rand&select-author=field-author-like&title=new+left&select-title=field-title&subject=&select-subject=field-subject&field-publisher=&field-isbn=&node=&field-binding=&field-age=&field-language=&field-dateop=before&field-datemod=0&field-dateyear=2009&chooser-sort=rank%21%2Bsalesrank&mysubmitbutton1.x=0&mysubmitbutton1.y=0

warned 40 years ago that the new left was out to destroy reason.

and, journalists “professionalized” the field, opening new “j-schools” in the 1960’s.

here, “objectivity” was derided, and personal experience replaced the pursuit of the truth.


8 posted on 08/21/2007 12:40:14 PM PDT by ken21 (28 yrs +2 families = banana republic junta. si.)
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To: traviskicks
Interesting reading. Answer, NO.

... but that between society and society, or generation and generation, there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another.
9 posted on 08/21/2007 6:36:35 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: ken21

Its been a long time since Jefferson was discussed in public schools in any meaningful way...I think the chances of misreprwesenting a great historical figure are slim, as the valuable class time is being used to study “feelings” and current events(Democratic politics).


10 posted on 08/21/2007 9:03:10 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Starman417
Lysander Spooner said essentially the same thing in an article of his called "No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority", written in 1869. It is worth a read.
11 posted on 08/21/2007 9:40:58 PM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping to my post at 11. Thought you might be interested, though you’re probably already aware of it.


12 posted on 08/21/2007 9:42:43 PM PDT by zeugma (If I eat right, don't smoke and exercise, I might live long enough to see the last Baby Boomer die.)
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To: Starman417
According to Jefferson, should our generation try to give gifts to the future generations out of the resources that, as he has explained, effectively belong to the living generation? Do these distant generations have such special relationships with each other and obligations with respect to each other?

I thought that the thinkers of the time argue the other way, that generations do not have the authority to enslave future generations to their current decisions and policies. That's why there is the amendment process in the Constitution.

Thomas Paine wrote a lot from this theme in The Rights Of Man. While they both talk a lot about their obligations to "antiquity" and "posterity," they aren't as presumptious as to make decisions for the future generations, from what I've read of them.

-PJ

13 posted on 08/21/2007 9:47:04 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: zeugma

Thanks.


14 posted on 08/21/2007 10:19:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, August 20, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: bamahead

bookmark


15 posted on 08/22/2007 6:05:41 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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