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FRED OR DUNCAN
N/A ^ | 26 June 2007 | NAPSCOORDINATOR

Posted on 06/26/2007 1:00:05 PM PDT by napscoordinator

A discussion thread about Fred vs Duncan


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: conservative; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; familyvalues; fredthompson; morals; neither
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To: napscoordinator
I support Hunter. He is a bigger tough guy than you might think. He might be the last old school Presidential Candidates in our lifetime.

I know nothing about FT.

Didn't he play President Ulysses S. Grant in the 2007 TV show Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee?

And in the "Last Best Chance" in 2005 he also played the role as President Charles Ross?

In 2001 in the TV movie; "Rachel and Andrew Jackson: A Love Story" he was the voice of President Andrew Jackson.

And in 2003 "Barbarians at the Gate" he played the role of Jim Robinson??????

Yep! I guess Fred can seem a bit Presidential. Wheres the Beef? Seems a bit quite on the sell out in the Senate. McCain's buddy right?

121 posted on 06/26/2007 4:00:52 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: Politicalmom
"You’re a BLOODY LIAR."

That swear word has an interesting British past. Are you British?


122 posted on 06/26/2007 4:01:46 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Politicalmom

Hey! Is that Dr. Eugene Scott with one of your kids on your homepage? Or is that really Santa Clause?


123 posted on 06/26/2007 4:04:08 PM PDT by SierraWasp (I'm not only in CONtempt of CONgress, I'm in CONtempt of the other 3 branches as well!!!)
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To: Afronaut

Quite = Quiet


124 posted on 06/26/2007 4:05:38 PM PDT by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: pissant

And it is within the rules to tell someone who is harassing me not to post to me any more.


125 posted on 06/26/2007 4:08:06 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("Mom, I'll be old enough to vote for Fred when he runs for his second term." -My Son. (I'm proud))
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To: PlainOleAmerican

Don’t be misled. Duncan is a good man, and the advocates shouldn’t be taken into account. Look at him as an individual.

I do support Fred, but I would support Duncan like that (if he was the contender).


126 posted on 06/26/2007 4:26:23 PM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson....IMWITHFRED.COM)
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To: familyop

Your post is the silliest thing I’ve read today—and I’ve read all of both of the Thompson v. Hunter threads. The comments you link to are unrelated to “censorship.” Pathetic.


127 posted on 06/26/2007 4:34:12 PM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08)
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To: familyop

To familyop:

I advised you to “Give it a rest. You got no tread on your tires.”

This is not a call for censorship, it is a call for self-censorship.

My remark to you was essentially a call for responsibility on your part. But you have chosen to misrepresent it in exactly the same way that virtually your entire web presence is predicated on misrepresentation.

You are quite a piece of work.


128 posted on 06/26/2007 4:49:21 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
"This is not a call for censorship, it is a call for self-censorship."

Okay.
129 posted on 06/26/2007 5:05:06 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: John Valentine

I won’t censor myself, either, though.


130 posted on 06/26/2007 5:06:11 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: John Valentine
"...in exactly the same way that virtually your entire web presence is predicated on misrepresentation."

That's quite a sweeping false accusation.
131 posted on 06/26/2007 5:07:31 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson; ejonesie22

Post Number 77 in this thread voices exactly the problem with what you are doing, familyop:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856668/posts?page=77#77

You post it a few times and we have a discussion about it. We debate some of the points. Some of them are valid concerns that we should take a look at. Some really are a stretch or are easily explained.

But after we have that discussion, you ignore the fact that it ever happened and continue to post the same thing. By the time we’ve argued it out like 50 times, it becomes pointless to even try anymore.

You complain that you were flamed from the first time you posted it. If you met hostility, it was likely because you were not the first person using the same tactics with the same information.

Congratulations though, you’ve definitely become the most persistent of the bunch.


132 posted on 06/26/2007 5:10:53 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (<---- is vacationing from gnats)
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To: familyop; Jim Robinson

Yes, any time anyone answers you at all, it’s a flame. We know that from our daily dealings with you on so many Fred threads.


133 posted on 06/26/2007 5:12:12 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (<---- is vacationing from gnats)
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To: napscoordinator

Either one, however Duncan is NOT ELECTABLE(no name recognition,) Fred is, and has the aura!!


134 posted on 06/26/2007 5:20:12 PM PDT by gbs
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To: napscoordinator

Ron Paul.....just kidding......I will wait a few more months.....


135 posted on 06/26/2007 5:21:11 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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To: perfect_rovian_storm; Jim Robinson
"Yes, any time anyone answers you at all, it’s a flame. We know that from our daily dealings with you on so many Fred threads."

In comment #34 (on 20JUN) you (perfect_rovian_storm) wrote:
"And yet the disgusting personality disorder that you obviously suffer from will remain unchecked. Sucks to be you."


That's worse than the usual ad hominem. It's a false and defamatory comment.

And in comment #101 (on 21JUN) you (perfect_rovian_storm) wrote:
"Wow! You made a website filled with the same lies and halftruths you post around here repeatedly! Then you FOUND it! W O W.

This is yet another example of the Hunter supporters lying about another candidate to try and prop up their guy. Their guy can’t cut it in the real world of presidential politics, so they have to lie about someone else to try and get it done.
"

...which were false accusations on your part. I have no idea as to who the website belongs to and did not write any lies.


136 posted on 06/26/2007 5:36:58 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: familyop

familyop wrote: “I’ve been flamed quite a few times for posting the facts.”

Me too:

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The Club for Growth’s Andrew Roth:

“Like most Republicans, [Duncan Hunter is] strong on tax cuts, but he’s been part of the big government spending spree of the last 6 years. He also has a protectionist streak in him. Here are some of the more troubling votes:

NO on NAFTA
YES on No Child Left Behind
YES on Sarbanes-Oxley
YES on the 2003 Medicare Drug Benefit
NO on CAFTA
YES on 2005 Highway Bill
YES on the 527 bill (like most Republicans, he flip-flopped, having first voted NO on McCain-Feingold)

Hunter also went 0 for 19 on the Flake anti-pork amendments.

Despite being a member of the Republican Study Committee, Hunter frequently votes NO on their fiscally conservative annual budgets (2006, 2005, 2003...)

We gave him a 49% on the 2005 Club for Growth scorecard. That places him 187th within the House GOP conference, out of roughly 230 members.

National Taxpayers Union shows a more telling trend. He was strong in the early 1990s, getting B’s and one A, but as time went by, like most politicians, his score dropped. For the past few years, he’s been getting C’s.”

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2006/10/duncan_hunters_voting_record.php

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“...This explains why Duncan Hunter isn’t gaining any traction; his record on fiscal issues is that of something other than a conservative.”

http://race42008.com/2007/03/24/fiscally-fisking-the-2008-contenders/

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Hunter needs to raise tens of millions of dollars over the next year to boost his profile among conservative activists, say experienced political hands. That effort could be complicated by the opposition of influential power brokers because of Hunter’s long history of opposing free-trade deals and promoting tough border security policies.

Other top Republicans decry what they consider Hunter’s indifferent record on the effort to curb extravagant federal spending.

“Our (political action committee) would cross him off the list,” said David Keating, executive director of the fiscally conservative Club for Growth. “We wouldn’t even consider endorsing him because his record on fiscal issues has been so bad.”

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20061226-9999-1n26hunter.html

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137 posted on 06/26/2007 6:09:07 PM PDT by Josh Painter (Fred STRONGLY supports the "absolute right to gun ownership" - VoteMatch)
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To: familyop

Here’s one of many from the same site you managed to overlook.

“Voted for comprehensive alien tracking and
identification system in 2002
Sen. Thompson voted in favor of H.R. 3525, the Enhanced Border Security and Visa Entry Reform Act of 2001. H.R. 3525 will significantly reduce future population growth from illegal immigration by making it much harder for temporary visa holders to stay in the country illegally after their visa expire. H.R. 3525 provides for an entry-exit system in which every visa holder is checked with a biometric identifier when heshe enters and leaves the country. This information is included in an integrated database that is shared by the appropriate law-enforcement officials. H.R. 3525 passed the Senate unanimously by a vote of 97-0 and is expected to be signed into law by President Bush.”

There are several others... If you are gonna use that kind of misleading rhetoric and cherry picking the facts, you deserve no credibility.


138 posted on 06/26/2007 6:15:48 PM PDT by TN4Liberty (Ask any farmer... Good fences make good neighbors.)
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To: familyop

You whine like a liberal.


139 posted on 06/26/2007 6:16:08 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD --- VOTE FOR FRED!!.)
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To: americanophile
americanophile wrote: "Well, it’s hard to support Fred Thompson at this juncture, since nobody knows what his positions will be."

That's just not so. Fred's positions on dozens of issues can be found here, here and here.
140 posted on 06/26/2007 6:18:28 PM PDT by Josh Painter (Fred STRONGLY supports the "absolute right to gun ownership" - VoteMatch)
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