Posted on 05/20/2007 12:33:09 AM PDT by A Navy Vet
My oldest son is 9 so maybe that is why we don’t have to deal with these things right now. 12 is a bit over. I was not labeling you. Just answering your post that is all. Hopefully by the time my son is 12 this will be straightened out or at least closer to. We have been through a lot in this world. My parents had to jump under desks because of some scare tactic with Russia which was a total waste of time and took away from studies. I am using that as an example which I guess is why I don’t want my kids to waste there time on something that may not happen. All those poor kids who were scared to death of Russia was just a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME!!!
“Carry signs is protest”? What would be your suggestion?
I’ve done that,making fun of me A Navy Vet.(((Hugs)))
Who cares I make my own TV shows.
You do?
Thanks for your input, but your rhetoric gave no concrete answer, unless you were round-a-boutly referring to Israel's wall. If that is the case, I couldn't agree with you more.
I, as others, watched for years the pali-shitheads blow up cafes, busses, market-placeses, etc. for years after Arafat declared his "intifada" after getting only 97% of his demands at the Camp David Accords.
If this is what we'er talking about, BUILD THE WALL TO THE WEST BANK!
Yes.
The only thing I would disagree with you about is that the backlash wouldn't be so much about "Arab", but more about Muslims - they come in all stripes (colors, ethniticies, and nationalities). ALL Islamic youth are THE detriment to Western civilization. Know it.
Europe is now experiencing the love and joy of diversity, which includes massive Muslims immigration. France is fed up with those barbarians and elected a "conservative" president to DEAL with them. Good for France, for a change.
YOU are of the few who are REALLY informed. Most people don't even know what a "Madrassa" is, much less understand the hate that is preached in them. Most are Saudi, many are Iranian, some are African, and fewer are preached in the Philippines, Mayaysia, Indonesia, et al.
I became more aware once I watched, "The Children of Gaza". It was a neutral documentary from a caring women who found that radical Islam was teaching their children from 3 years old and on that to DIE in the name of Allah was good thing. It broke my heart.
Fine. Enjoy American Idol; enjoy Monday night football; enjoy your children. I'm actually happy for you that you are so comfortable in your life.
However, when the bad guys (and yes, they exist) do really bad shit in your neighborhood, what are YOU going to then? What do you do if the JERICHO series actually happened? Granted, it's a stupid TV show, but what if some Jihadist lit off just ONE bomb up-wind of you and your family? What? FEMA will be to your rescue?
I argue with conspiracy theorists every day on the Net, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that the crazy Jihadists are going to stop looking for ways to kill you, your wife, your children, and my own simply because we have some better security at airports. Think, guy. Think how many ways the bad guys can cause shit.
Yes.
See this:(disheartening alert)
Fine. I'm negative. You know who else is really negative about American security? The United States Military, that's who.
Although I was never in combat, I spent 11 years in the US Navy playing tag with Soviet warships and strategic nuke subs and attack subs. I learned quickly how to be negative about their warhships. Oops, did I say "negative"?
I'm not a stupid man. I know the difference between being "negative" and being smart. Ask a grunt SEAL or Delta or Ranger or Marine Recon what the difference is.
Once they answer, ask that same question of a simple aviation swabbie on the flight deck what the difference is. Betcha you won't get a different answer.
Very good. Don't tell me...seriously.
Well under your scenario, I guess I should not send my kids to college because we just had a wacko who was able to kill kids very easily at VA TECH. Truthfully, I am more worried about that than I am some Terrorist cell coming to America at this time since it just happened. You must think!!! We have crazy folks in America every day that do crazy things.
Thanks for your input, but your rhetoric gave no concrete answer, unless you were round-a-boutly referring to Israel's wall. If that is the case, I couldn't agree with you more.
Well, it first appeared that you were talking about what the people, themselves would do. In other words, since you put it down to the level of -- "children, friends, loved ones" -- that this was talking about on an individual "one person" level. And in that question (if it was on the level of just one person), then the answer was precisely to see how the Israelis handle it, on the level of that one person, when it's their "children, friends, loved ones" that just got blown up.
For example, I see that they have outlying communities that may be surrounded by Muslims, on all sides, and they may get attacked or something may happen to one of those people that they know on a bus that got blown up. But, I never hear about Israelis, in some community, taking their guns, going in a group and then heading down to the nearest Muslim village and shooting up that village. I just don't hear that kind of thing going on at all.
You hear about some Israeli (or a soldier) that may have gotten turned around and lost and gotten into an area of Palestinians, and they get killed. But, if a Palestinian gets lost in an Israeli village or on the Israeli side of the border, you don't hear about that Palestinian getting killed.
It's never the Israelis, individually, as a single citizen or a group of citizens that go out and hunt for Palestinians to kill. It does happen the other way around though.
So, when you asked what if it was your friends, etc -- that meant to me, it was a question directed to one single person and what that one single person would do -- and all those "single persons" would do, if there were several that were killed. And so, that's why I referenced what the Israelis did, as single individuals, when faced with this kind of murder of the people they knew directly. They never did take out after any of the Muslims. They just never did it.
I don't think the Israelis are any better than the Americans, but perhaps some here would like to prove me wrong and say, yes indeed the Israelis are better than the Americans and the American would indeed start hunting down Muslims. I don't know, maybe the Israelis are better than us...
Now, as I said before, in the last post, the issue of what the government would do, is a completely different issue than what a single individual would do in those circumstances. The government has different things to consider. So, while individual people would not "build a wall" the government might do that. Whether they actually would or not is really another story, depending on the politics of the matter. And perhaps the politics would make it impossible for the government to do so.
I, as others, watched for years the pali-shitheads blow up cafes, busses, market-placeses, etc. for years after Arafat declared his "intifada" after getting only 97% of his demands at the Camp David Accords.
Now, the interesting thing about this thing when you talk about seeing what the Palestinians do, as compared to what the Israelis do -- it's totally different from one another. And I'm going to make a comparison with another area of the world, in a minute. So, we see that the Israelis do not respond on an "individual level" like the Palestinians do. The Palestinians will individually group together in a mob and actually get quite violent and kill Israelis. They've done it, before and they'll do it again, if given the chance. The Israelis simply do not respond that way at all.
But, let's look at another part of the world, where you have two different Muslims groups fighting each other, instead of Israeli versus Muslim. Over in Iraq, where you have Muslims who are against each other, if one individual perpetrates violence on another individual (or to a group, like a bombing), well, you know what's going to happen next -- there's going to be a "counter-bombing" and a "counter-killing" to "even it up". And they go back and forth -- individually, or in groups like a mob -- going at each other, "tit for tat". It's not that way in Israel with the Israelis, but it is that way with the Muslims, towards each other.
Heck a few weeks ago, some Kurds up in the north stoned a young 17-year-old girl to death and a week or two later, some other group stopped a bus of 20 of those same people (who stoned the girl) and killed all 20. Do you hear that in Israel? Nope. Do you hear of some group of Israeli citizens going out and stopping a bus and killing everyone inside? Nope. Even when they get a bus blown up in Israel or a restaurant blown up or a wedding blown up, there is never a vigilante group of Israelis stampeding over into the Palestinian areas and killing a bunch of Muslims over there. It never happens. However, it sure happens in Iraq, with one group of Muslims going after another group of Muslims.
So, would the Americans be more like the crazy Muslims -- or -- would the Americans be more like the civilized Israelis. Now, that is an interesting question. Perhaps some people can enlighten me here and tell me which we would be more like.
In terms of Arafat getting 97% of what he wanted -- well..., it wouldn't have made any difference if he got 100% or even if he got 120% of what he wanted. The fact of the matter is that if he accepted a peace agreement with Israel, he would have been a dead man. He would have been killed by his own people. That's because his own people have been trained all their lives to know that every last single Jew has to be killed in the world. Their Koran says so. And they know that the Israelis have stolen their land; their leaders keep telling them so. And so, if any leader were to accept the fact that Israelis could remain alive and, to boot, keep their own country -- well..., before the Muslims would kill any more Jews, they would kill that leader first. Arafat wasn't dumb; he wasn't about to get assasinated. Why should he? So, no, he wasn't going to accept it even if they gave him 120% of what he asked for.
If this is what we'er talking about, BUILD THE WALL TO THE WEST BANK!
Well, here you're talking about something that is a "government thing" and not something that a single individual does, or a small group does. Only the government has the ability to affect policy to the extent that it would build a wall. And as far as our government is concerned, it does not look like it wants to do this. So, my guess is that nothing will be done to prevent the next big terrorist attack (on the level of 9/11 or bigger). The next one will probably be a nuclear explosion in one of our cities. And then, if that happens, well.., maybe the government will do something then. I figure our only hope of solving the problem is for the next attack to happen So, until that next major attack happens, I don't look for the government to do very much about it.
Regards,
Star Traveler
What should happen the first time the rag heads blow anything or anyone up, is to deport each and every Islamists in the country. The risk of having them here far out ways any rights they think they might have. No Islamists = No Attacks on US citizens. Amen.
Unfortunately, the legalities of our system of government won’t allow that. I find this to be the case in many of the “solutions” that are presented. Nothing is realistic in “this world” that we live in, in these United States. They are always solutions that come out of comic books stories and never out of the Federal Courts, or the legislatures of the states or the Congress or from the President. Like I said, the solutions are always “comic book” solutions, not real life solutions, considering our government, politics and laws.
Now, if someone really wanted to make a difference, there could be legal ways to make a difference, but it would take those “legalities” to go through the system and be upheld as viable. If they aren’t, well..., these things will never fly...
You’re playing word games. You know, I know it, anyone reading this knows it.
Have a nice night...
You’re playing word games. You know, I know it, anyone reading this knows it.
Oh, I don't think so. That's because I've been around Free Republic long enough to have seen these very things that I describe. It's a valid anaysis.
The response is broken down into two precise areas, and I've seen both of these areas talked about on Free Republic. The first area is what do people do on an "individual level". The second area is what do people do on a "governmental level" (as a corporate body of citizens of the United States).
Now, in Israel, I use that as an example of a group of people who have lived with the terrorism exactly as you describe it as "possible" here. However, over there it isn't just "possible" -- it's an everyday reality. So, when one asks how do they respond "individually", you get a very good example of how they respond as individual people -- which is quite dramatically different than the Muslims respond as individual people.
So, the question here is simply -- "Would the Americans respond in the same outrageous manner as those crazy Muslims -- or -- would the Americans respond in the more civilized manner as the Israelis?" Now, that is the big question, because from what I read, I see that some Freepers want to "outdo the Palestinians" and show them who can be even more debased than they are. They want to show them that if the Palestinians think they've got a corner on idiotic brutality, that the Americans can teach them a thing or two about how brutal we can get.
Well, I do know that's not the Israeli response on an individual citizen level, but it does seem to be the response of some Freepers on an individual citizen level. So, that's a very valid questions as to whether we would be more like Palestinians, or whether we would be more like Israelis, if the bombs started showing up on busses and in malls and in restaurants. And I'm sure that there are some Freepers that are prepared to tell me right now how they would respond...
Then the other level of response is very precise and accurate. It's just like I was telling another poster here. The solutions I hear and read about here on Free Republic are more like something that comes out of a comic book -- and not something that comes out of a legislature and the U.S. court system and the President and the officials of our government. I hear so-called solutions that one would read about in "Batman" or some other things like that. It doesn't sound like something that every went through a legislative session and got passed into law and also was upheld by the U.S. court system.
So, sometimes I do wonder what world some of these posters are living in. I think they must be posting from Iraq or Afghanistan, where people do shoot up other people. Obviously they're not posting from inside the United States.
Some of these posters give solutions that would never make it out of committee in any state legislature in the country or ever make it out of committe in the Congress -- much less even get sponsored as a piece of legislation in the first place.
So, far from this being word games. I'm describing two levels of interactions -- one on the individual personal level and comparing that to either being like a civilized Israeli or perhaps being like a terroristic Palestinian. I guess I'll give the people here the choice of the matter on that one.
And then, the other level of interaction is the governmental level where we have the three branches of government (leglislative, executive and judicial branches) and how they all have to come together to get anything through. And then, this all has to fly with the public at large, and has to be able to sustain a popular majority in whatever is proposed. And the fact of the matter is that nothing substantial has been able to get through in our political system, enough to do anything at all, about these problems.
So, there we are, on both levels that I just mentioned. No word games but a very good analysis of what is going on...
Regards,
Star Traveler
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