How to stop the next campus killing

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You obviously haven’t ever been clinically depressed or lived with a child or anyone else who has. You havent been through it and been successfully treated by “opiate narcotics” nor have you lived with somene who is thriving thanks to the treatment or lost someone who died because they weren’t treated...largely because of “experts” like you advising them that depression is a faux mental condition.

Don’t give me “most likely..” yada yada yada unless you have walked the walk,

Read 78. Most of my life has been pure hell but I beat my disease without the drugs I was recommended. YOU have no idea what it feels like to be depressed, I bet, but it sounds like you enable narcotic drug usage (probably while voting to expand the war on drugs).

If I had taken the drugs and learned to be happy and ignore pain, I would probably have lymphoma, lupus, or some other cancer by now because of the consequences of Celiac disease.

Don’t assume I haven’t been through it. I WAS that dark, cynical, macabre teenager who scared everyone around him. I wrote disturbing, violent plays based on my love for Poe and Dostoyevski. I had screwed up thoughts in my head I could not banish when the cold shadow of death embraces your body with every breath.

Food intolerances are linked to Autism and Asperger’s - and these children most likely to be picked on and these are the patients most likely to be misdiagnosed with depression, anxiety, and other BS conditions like CFS and IBS. Food intolerances are diagnosed correctly about 2% of the time (taking an average of 10-12 years for a diagnosis) - most patients are usually just given something to make them feel good.

Oh a food intolerance no big deal eh? Its only linked to causing diabetes, depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, most known auto-immune disorders, and aggressive cancers. Life expectancy drops in half. 76? Try 38.

NOT ONLY have I been through depression and beaten it without prescriptions or a hot air shrink, I am now on my way to becoming a doctor in hopes of fixing this screwed up system that couldn’t find my problem after 12 years of suffering. Thank you very much.

You are advocating that a writing in a creative writing class proffered by a 23 year old man should be grounds for dismissal?

I am doing no such thing. Did you even read my comments?

To quote myself, I said "I did not include his violent writings or his teacher's fear of him".

I did not include it, because it is not grounds for dismissal. However repeated harassment of female students and a court order that he is an "imminent threat to others" is very much grounds for such.

The court order is protected medical history.

It is a big mistake to treat mental history as we do "medical history". It is also a mistake to not factor in mental illness or prescribed psychotropic drugs when checking background for a gun purchase. The mentally ill and drugged are usually the ones who snap and carry out such massacres, especially these youth school shootings in recent years. Everyone acts as if the drugs from Merck, Pfizer et al are wonderful and safe and "fix" these individuals. They are not safe, and they do no such thing. Especially when people suddenly stop taking them, as did Andrea Yates, and literally go insane.

It is a big mistake to treat mental history as we do "medical history"

No, it is not, and for the very same reasoning.

But I do agree with the sentiment behind guns, and mental problems, such as depression for example, where psychotropic drugs are used for treatment. Just how would you regulate that?

If you go to the doctor to seek help because you have been in a blue funk for weeks after your Mother died, I suppose the next thing to add to your unhappiness would be a caravan of ATF agents busting into your home to collect your guns! Bullet proof vests, and full auto weapons at the ready....

There are many forms of mental illness. Some of them require the same exact drugs. There are not enough labels for the shades of Grey, and there is no way to predict how someone will act or not act. The length of the illness is indeterminate, and the causes are not any where near completely understood. Nor are the cures, or even why some medication works as it does.

Currently, your name goes on the prohibited to buy list if you are involuntarily committed to treatment, or if you are hospitalized, in most States. I think this is how the Fed law is written.

If you voluntarily seek outpatient treatment, your record is kept confidential. I think that is how it should be and I defy you to come up with a fair way to do it differently as I described above.

As to the court ordered psych eval that Cho received, he cooperated and was treated outpatient, but he failed to follow through.

I think we can indeed do something with those who do not cooperate and fail to return for the court ordered appointment. We can commit them involuntarily in this case by law. Their gun privileges would then be revoked.

That's what we CAN do, without affecting privacy for the vast majority of law abiding citizens.

We can do this, or we can get rid of everyone's guns. It's a choice we will have to make.

My choice is made.

Just how would you regulate that?

I appreciate the discussion. The voluntary cooperation doesn't work in many cases, and often those cases have horrific results. Andrea Yates. Andrew Goldstein (did not take meds for a day, fatally pushed a woman in front of a NYC subway the next day, etc). However I admit, I am hard pressed to come up with a different system which I would not find distasteful or unconstitutional. Also we sort of agree on guns, but I agree there are many gray areas where the mind is concerned. But some kind of steps must be taken as a start. Someone has a history of harassment? Has a court order they are an "imminent threat to others"? Should they have a gun? I think not.

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