Stare at that for 5 minutes.
Seriously.
Then tell me what you think of a "5 minute response time".
Posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:12 AM PDT by brityank
Got a good point there. How many sick sick people watch that video with a twisted amusement and are thinking to themselves that they could do better. They seek fame at any cost, want to be the next America’s Anti-Idol so to speak.
Stare at that for 5 minutes.
Seriously.
Then tell me what you think of a "5 minute response time".
His job wasn’t to prevent the event.
The courts have made that clear.
I was surprised to hear Brian Williams talk about this last night. He seemed genuinely embarrassed that his own network had released this info. Pointed out that the killer was using the media, and the media was going along.
Repeat... and repeat again: PC killed the 32 students at VT
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Exactly what do you have to do to be expelled from VT?
Stalking 2 women and setting a fire isnt’ enough? He had a couple of other transgressions too. If he called someone a nigger or a kike you can bet he would have been expelled. How about if he was white and stalked 2 black women, do you think he would have gotten past stalking the first one?
I guess him being a minority himself got him these extra chances to stay on campus.
That being said I’m sure some school killers HAVE been stopped, just like terrorist attacks have, we’ll just never know.
A kid who NEVER speaks to ANYONE, apparently in high school as well is really crying for help and possibly mentally ill dwelling in their own dreamland/psychosis.
He sent out a million warning signals, he never got what he needed though.
5 minute response time for armed security? Perhaps a realistic goal for campus/school security.
Arming every student who might face a madman?
Unrealistic but it sure makes good fantasy. You maybe could outdraw and outshoot every future madman. Maybe you ought to offer to train the Amish.
Totally agree. There’s still a point of personal choice and responsibility when on meds, particularly with college-age students. If you pick up a gun and choose to murder someone, you can choose not to...
I think he was being ironic, implying we should compare rates of firearm posscssion and crime to anti-depressants and crime.More than a defense of gun ownership, this attacks the assumptions that pills can monitor and order society. It’s an attack on nanny-statism.
The student volunteer police is an excellent idea. Scholarships could be offered and ex GI’s would be perfect candidates. The turn-over would be every 2 to 4 years; no burn-outs.
I’m surprised Cockburn’s take on this. I guess he’s going Libertarian. He is pretty smart, after-all.
I disagree, and while this may not apply to this incident in particular, it may apply to like incidents in the future: if for no other reason than calling witnesses out of the subject's past, it serves the purpose of helping criminal profilers, criminologists, clinicians etc. develop more mature and robust profiles.
It also serves to put public speculation to rest. Granted there are some here who are still tossing around the "muslim connection," however, if the authorities rigidly withheld the name, you could bet that the speculation and hysteria would be much more widespread. If the authorities withheld the name, and it was later leaked that it was Mustafa al-ibn Aziz, the authorities would be accused of a massive cover up.
Consumers of the media, can, I think, play a big role in making sure the media denegrates rather than lionize the subject in their coverage...I doubt many people in the '30s envied or tried to obtain Bruno Hauptman's level of notoriety despite his name being all over the press...because of the way it was presented. Somebody somewhere is going to know who the subject was, and eventually it's going to get out. When the authorities release it, they retain control over how and under what circumstances the name is released. To do it any other way is a wild card, with even more uncertain consequences.
Unrealistic but it sure makes good fantasy.
Well, I know one thing's for sure, this student and quite a few others are seriously considering carrying regardless of school rules from now on...
This bears repeating
JMHO
The logic supporting this claim is deeply flawed. Sorry.
OK, how about: "Ban people on anti-depressants that have a demonstrated proclivity to cause mania in any significant percentage of those administered the drug, unless they are closely supervised to eliminate the possibility that the manifestation of said mania might result in the patient causing harm to himself or others."
All good suggestions, but the one above it THE BEST.
"The college's first email to students goes out more than two hours after the first killings were discovered."
Students and faculty should have at LEAST been alerted within minutes of finding the bodies, to be on the lookout for an armed perpetrator. Police could not have known he would massacre thirty people, but the likihood that the killer was desperate and roaming campus with a gun, and therefore a danger to others, was very high.
I agree with denying them the notoriety. The brother of a young woman killed at Columbine has a website. He said he has received wacko comments from kids who are treating the Columbine tragedy as a record to be broken. They brag that they are planning a larger slaughter that will make Columbine look like child’s play. This may just be trash talk, or it may not.
Showing the videotape over and over of Cho ranting sends the message to sick people that world-wide coverage can be yours instantly.
it = is
Not quite...
Consider:Cho’s ramblings are the same ramblings that you can find in the mind of any socialist/communist. Hatred for those who are successful, wealthy and the children of that wealth. Is Virgina Tech run by Conservatives? No, it’s run by socialists and they are singularly responsible for planting the seeds of discontent in this mans mind. That he went on a rampage and slaughtered so many, is the logical extension of their words.
I don't know with the number and instaneous nature of news outlets that exist today and the great variety of communication technology such as the internet, if it would be possible to deny a perpetrator his notoriety, however.
You can thank two things for that: the Americans with Disabilities Act, which was stupidly extended to mental illness; and Tipper Gore, who tirelessly championed anti-discrimination and privacy rules for the "mentally ill" that have been adopted by states and municipalities across the nation.
It’s interesting how those holding that view go instantly redefine the opposing view in absurdism that was never expressed.
5 minute response time? yes, that’s a realistic goal - and I simply demonstrated what that meant. Your response indicates you are very uncomfortable with the reality of what you suggested.
Suddenly you lash out with “_every_ student”, “_every_ future madman”, “unrealistic”, “fantasy”, “train the Amish”. Very revealing.
I didn’t say “every” student ... but I sure want each one to have the option to make that choice.
That “unrealistic...fantasy”, insofar as it was allowed to exist, has cut short about 1/3rd of school shootings, saving many lives; perhaps expanding on what works isn’t an unrealistic fantasy after all.
Yes, sometimes the dragon wins - but taking away the sword from every knight assures defeat.
I didn’t suggest “outdraw and outshoot _every_ future madman” ... but you’ll notice that ALL of such madmen have chosen “victim disarmament zones” where they KNEW _nobody_ could fight back; just the mere possibility of having to face competition deters them.
The Amish have made a choice; VT student’s didn’t have that choice, and you would continue to deny them of it.
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