Posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:12 AM PDT by brityank
I'm not even a gun aficionado but even I can see that it would not be necessary to arm every student. That's a straw man argument. Just appropriately arm some of them. Prospective killers, not knowing who was armed and who wasn't, might think twice about attempting it. However, even if the prospective killer didn't think twice there would still be the much greater likelihood of stopping the rampage at a much earlier time.
Unrealistic but it sure makes good fantasy. You maybe could outdraw and outshoot every future madman
Disregarding the straw man argument for the moment, I have the feeling that if, God forbid, it would happen to you, that you might find yourself cowering under your desk while your professor and classmates and perhaps you are shot to death by the madman while you really pray (maybe for the first time in your life) for someone with a gun to come and stop him.
By then, though, it's usually too late.
Cordially,
Disagree totally; that is what has placed the whole country into this position of wailing and gnashing teeth at these type of incidents.
And/Or [CCW and] faculty with approved gun carry rights.
Someone with a CCW weapon would have stopped each plane on 9-11; the Long Island Rail massacre (and kept that idiot Mahoney out of Congress!); Colombine; Virginia Tech -- and so many others. We need to get back to taking care of our own security, not relying on some feel-good misconstrued laws -- written and enforced, incidentally, by elites that have paid security around them 24/7.
If VT were in Japan, the President would have already taken his own life. This scumbag has no such sense of honor, but he should at least be forced to resign at once. As if it wasn’t bad enough he totally bungled the two-year response to Cho’s conduct, he also lobbied the Virginia Legislature to disarm the students and faculty of his college, for which blood is on his hands today.
And in the case of the “Prevent Defense” They are probably right.
How about: take anti-depressants and you get no guns.
Allow teachers, staff, and students who have a carry permit to continue to do so .
The unmentioned lesson in all this:
Don’t expect “the authorities” to notify you of a dangerous situation.
Our society, with its constant deluge of information/news, has presumed that everyone is duly informed of everything they need to know.
This is far from the truth.
There is a great deal going on, of interest to many/all, which only a few know about.
All-knowing all-caring mommy doesn’t run the campus.
That would be the author's conclusion, which is poorly supported.
MY! MY!
How interesting it is, that some people with mental problems just happen to be taking antidepressant drugs, so through a giant leap of logic, we blame the drugs?
Perhaps we should see if they were breathing, and blame the air quality.
Some do!
As to the rest of the finger pointing, it makes no sense to shut down a college, when witnesses claim the perp has left the campus. They were misled by witness statements and the initial confusion, and the likelihood that you could effectively lock down a college of this size and get any benefit from doing so, is nonsense. All the lock downs in much smaller, single building schools have had no effect on the actual damages incurred, and the original idea was to prevent unauthorized people from entering a school complex and hurting the kids.
Cho was a student and fully authorized to enter the classroom buildings and dorms. A lock down did not apply here, even if it could have been done.
According to the documents, the worst offense was irritating another student. Irritation is not a crime.
The school authorities were not comfortable with what they had against Cho to do anything like banning him from campus. He had not yet threatened anyone.
There is no "there" or smoking gun here. There is no particular action that could have been taken by authorities to prevent a 23 year old man from being in a position to do what he did.
Most of the suggestions for the prevention of future crimes that I have read on this forum appear to involve changing our society from free to one of subjugation to certain behavior patterns.
If that is not a sick idea, I have never seen a sick idea.
HF
“I agree. We are always going to have crazy people, that wish to harm. We just have to be prepared to stop them, when they attack. Wasn’t there a gun ban just shortly before this happened though and someone commented that people would now feel safer? I wonder how safe people “feel” now.”
Guns have been banned on school campuses for quite a while in Virginia.
Once it was determined Cho had mental problems that should’ve negated any potential value to this country as an immigrant and he should’ve been summarily deported and never allowed to re-enter.
Better immigration screening
Colleges screening for mental health
Government doing a more thorough investigation on applications
A gun in your purse
All are important but if you had one choice, what would it be?
In the immortal classic words, "The Law is a ass!"
I've got to calm down before commenting on that utter incompetent, Col. Steve Flaherty, Virginia State Police Supt., and that pathetic CYA statement he made "...sorry that you were all exposed to those images..."
How about "Sorry that were utterly failed to serve and protect. during the massacre?"
Grrrrrrrrrrrr!
1. Stalking a female student
2. Phone harrassment of another female student
3. Court order declaring him "an imminent threat to himself and others" and remanding him to a mental hospital
That wasn't enough for you? I did not include his violent writings or his teacher's fear of him.
I've seen this bandied around quite a bit lately. I wonder what Quentin Terantino's senior project looked like? How's about M Knight Shamalamadingdong's? If writing dark and disturbing stuff is grounds for institutionalization, parking is going to get a lot better in Burbank.
Another thing to note was the cops with full body armor and full auto rifles hiding behind trees. Good grief, why have cops at all or waste the money on the hardware?
Depression is one of a class of ailments characteristic to our modern time where the diagnosis leads the disease and the patient is the arbiter of treatment.
Where no clear lines are drawn, no conclusions are valid.
But, if I remember correctly, the unabomber was targeting college professors, and being libs like the NYT, they were only protecting their own. Had the unabomber been targeting Christian ministers, I think their respnse might have been different. JMO.
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