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Cho's 'Religious Martyrdom Video'
NBC News ^ | Thursday, April 19, 2007 8:50 AM | by Richard Engel, Middle East bureau chief

Posted on 04/19/2007 6:38:49 AM PDT by meg88

The disturbing and cryptic video clips, photographs and manifesto the killer Cho Seung Hui sent to NBC News instantly reminded me of the taped testimonials suicide bombers leave behind to justify their crimes.

It looked so familiar -- an angry young man dressed in battle clothing preach a message full of hate in front of a drab background. I have seen many of these videos over the years in the Middle East.

The attackers always stress a desire to battle injustice and moral turpitude; they all believe they are avengers of the righteous. The videos are also replete with religious references.

Cho repeatedly mentions Christ, suffering and isolation. There appear to have also been references to the Koran.

On the package sent to NBC, Cho uses the name "A. Ishmael." He is also reported to have had the words "Ismail Ax" tattooed or written on one arm.

Ismail is the Koranic name of Abraham's first-born son. In one of the central stories of the Koran, God orders Abraham (called Ibrahim) to sacrifice Ismail as a test of faith, but then intervenes and replaces him with a sheep.

Internet speculation The Islamic Threat website said: Cho "knew exactly the significance of the name in Islam as far as blood sacrifices are concerned which leads me to think that there might have been Islamic motivation behind the madness he displayed."

The Arab New Service website said: "The Chicago Tribune reports that Virginia Tech University massacre perpetrator, Cho Seung-Hui, died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.

Hmmm . . . Ismail -- the Arabic name for Ishmael -- considered the father of all Arabs and a very important figure in Islam. I'm sure it's just a coincidence, right?

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: cho; ismailax; vatech; virginiatech; vtech
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1 posted on 04/19/2007 6:38:50 AM PDT by meg88
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To: dangus

For your file...


2 posted on 04/19/2007 6:42:11 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: meg88
I am currently reading The Professors: The 101 Most Dangerous Academics in America by David Horowitz.

These professors are all Anti-America, Anti-Capitalist, Communist and Marxist.

They justify & encourage militants and terrorist against perceived injustices.

They teach and preach class-envy.

They teach and preach institutional white-racism against all minorities.

So, I just wonder what this kid was being taught.

3 posted on 04/19/2007 6:42:19 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun
"So, I just wonder what this kid was being taught."

I don't.

4 posted on 04/19/2007 6:43:37 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: meg88

Cho is another liberal progressive gone over the edge.


5 posted on 04/19/2007 6:43:37 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: meg88

If NBC doesn’t release the entire UNEDITED version, countless conspiracy theories will flourish.


6 posted on 04/19/2007 6:44:09 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: meg88

When I heard his ranting about rich people and Christians I thought I was listening to a Democratic platform speech.


7 posted on 04/19/2007 6:44:41 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: meg88

Hmm...I was beginning to think I was the only one to notice that. Glad to see that others agree.


8 posted on 04/19/2007 6:45:52 AM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: meg88
Last night on Fox, Charles Krauthammer said he believes his videos was inspired by the suicide bombers last testament videos.
9 posted on 04/19/2007 6:45:57 AM PDT by AU72
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To: tkathy
If NBC doesn’t release the entire UNEDITED version, countless conspiracy theories will flourish.

You are absolutely correct.

10 posted on 04/19/2007 6:46:19 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: tkathy
If NBC doesn’t release the entire UNEDITED version, countless conspiracy theories will flourish.

Exactly. And of further note, this was new information to me:

There appear to have also been references to the Koran.

But I'm not surprised.

11 posted on 04/19/2007 6:46:43 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: meg88

It wasn’t a “disturbing and cryptic” video. It was plain to see that he was a wimp, and knew that he couldn’t compete in life like everyone else around him.

I will try not to watch any more of his crap as it only serves to piss me off to no end.


12 posted on 04/19/2007 6:46:58 AM PDT by period end of story
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To: meg88; All

I was very skeptical of any religious motivation, and even as you look at his mentions of Christ etc. in what he sent to NBC, they are very non-religous.

He speaks like a secular person simply using religion to illustrate his “point” that everybody was out to get him.

It was not a religious speech, so I disagree with Engel a bit.

However, I do note that in one of the NBC pictures, he has his hands raised in a prayer or god-like pose. I found that curious.

To have Engel outright say there is likely an Islamic connection here is interesting...he is a well-respected mainstream reporter.


13 posted on 04/19/2007 6:47:16 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: meg88

Y’know, this sorta reminds me when Bill Clinton blamed “hate radio” for Timothy McVieghs actions. Well, it’s obvious to me that this poor lad was influenced by left wing hate sites like Democratic Underground.


14 posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:24 AM PDT by Dreagon
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To: period end of story

Same here. I had to turn off the teevee this morning because of this guy’s whining videos being replayed over and over. He was a real loser, in every possible way.


15 posted on 04/19/2007 6:50:20 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: meg88

I don’t think you can pin Cho’s actions in Islamic terms. He may have referenced a few things, but looking at the big picture I don’t hink his referenses were that of a convert but of rebellion against society by embracing a few facets of it’s enemy. Militant Islam is anti-west so Cho dabbled in a bit of its imagery out of spite and anger against society. This kid needed alot of help.


16 posted on 04/19/2007 6:55:58 AM PDT by Mac94
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To: tkathy

I don’t think we will ever see the full version.


17 posted on 04/19/2007 6:56:06 AM PDT by meg88
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To: meg88
Internet speculation The Islamic Threat website said: Cho "knew exactly the significance of the name in Islam as far as blood sacrifices are concerned which leads me to think that there might have been Islamic motivation behind the madness he displayed."

Not exactly islam, but more like those ancient Baal-worship type religions where babies are sacrificed in front of a top-heavy, deaf, dumb and blind god.

18 posted on 04/19/2007 6:59:10 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon didn't exist, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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To: MizSterious; period end of story
Same here. I had to turn off the teevee this morning because of this guy’s whining videos being replayed over and over. He was a real loser, in every possible way.

I have turned it off too. I think the media's obsession with this guy will only encourage copy cats. But when you think about it, does anyone remember the name of the nurse in Arizona who killed all those people, or the guy at the University of Iowa who shot 5 or 6 people? Eventually, they all disappear.
19 posted on 04/19/2007 6:59:23 AM PDT by MockTurtle
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To: rwfromkansas
To have Engel outright say there is likely an Islamic connection here is interesting...he is a well-respected mainstream reporter.

Maybe he has seen the entire video. We certainly haven't.

20 posted on 04/19/2007 7:02:51 AM PDT by ladyjane
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