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California school reform to cost billions more (tens of billions), studies say
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 3/13/07 | Juliet Williams - ap

Posted on 03/13/2007 7:16:19 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

A major overhaul of California's schools will cost tens of billions of dollars more per year, but money alone won't fix the many problems facing the nation's largest public education system, according to a series of landmark studies to be released Wednesday.

A summary of the findings and some of the studies' supporting material was obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press. The documents include several estimates of how much money it would take to boost student performance so all California schools meet the Department of Education's goal.

The studies are part of a package requested by political leaders to inform the Gov.'s Committee on Education Excellence. Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger named the bipartisan panel in 2005 to investigate the myriad challenges facing California's public school system.

They are contained in a 1,700-page report, coordinated by Stanford University, that is scheduled to be released during separate events on Wednesday and Thursday.

The package of studies is intended to kickstart a discussion of major reforms to California's public schools but appears to make no concrete recommendations. Instead, the material will be turned over to the committee, which is expected to issue reform suggestions later this year.

The cost figures come from panels of educators who estimated how much it would take to bring all California schools up to a score of 800 on the state's Academic Performance Index, the state's system of gauging student proficiency in reading and math.

Two estimates, both based on interviews with educators, estimate the cost of meeting the state's achievement goals at an additional $23 billion to $32 billion a year. It is not clear, however, whether that money would bring all students up to the federal goal of having all students proficient in reading and math by 2014.

Despite the $3 million investment by groups such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the studies appear to draw no clear new conclusions about the best way to reform the system.

Several are intended to be informative - for example to help the 20-member education committee understand California's complicated education financing system, which is unique in the nation.

They review everything from inequalities in school funding to whether teachers unions contribute to the prevalence of underqualified teachers in poor and minority schools.

Others repeat common complaints from educators and school districts: that the state has too many categorical programs that tie up money; that teachers need targeted professional development to deal with a growing number of English learners; and that California lags other states in its collection of student-specific data.

California already spends nearly half its annual budget on education, a total of $66 billion in the current fiscal year.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: billions; california; publikskoolz; reform; school
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1 posted on 03/13/2007 7:16:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: calcowgirl

fyi


2 posted on 03/13/2007 7:17:56 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: metmom

The more people who attend public schools, the more money they get, and the more taxes are raised to fund them.

Is this another reason to homeschool?


3 posted on 03/13/2007 7:25:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: NormsRevenge

Nothing cheap about insane immigration.


4 posted on 03/13/2007 7:28:03 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Increase school funding a thousandfold tomorrow and those students who don't want to be educated still won't be educated.

Cut all public school funding tomorrow and those students who want to be educated will find a way to get educated.


5 posted on 03/13/2007 7:28:35 PM PDT by umgud
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To: NormsRevenge

Californians could just accept the rise in taxes and move on, or move out of California. Choices, choices …

Business owners must be beating themselves in the head and at the same time looking for a safe haven in states east.


6 posted on 03/13/2007 7:29:26 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let's pour more taxpayer dollars down the rathole that leads to the bottomless pit that defines government schools.

My fav question to the idiots that promote these schemes, "Please tell me precisely how much more money you need."

Never have gotten an answer. Got lots of Politically Correct BS, but not an answer.
7 posted on 03/13/2007 7:32:31 PM PDT by upchuck (The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This would be a good time to get rid of the Dept. of Edu. ;)


8 posted on 03/13/2007 7:35:55 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; BlackElk; blu; cgk; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.
9 posted on 03/13/2007 7:36:42 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; BlackElk; blu; cgk; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.
10 posted on 03/13/2007 7:37:12 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I guess that means "yes."


11 posted on 03/13/2007 7:38:44 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If they thinnk it'll take that much money to fix the problem, then it is another reason to homeschool.

My solution is cheaper. Teach the 3 R's and allow discpline. Kick out the illegals.


12 posted on 03/13/2007 7:43:14 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: sageb1
I agree! TMost of the program people are sixty's hippies that promote Godless ideas! I know I work there! Their meetings are consumed with politics and getting more money!

Half the time most of the don't show up for work, yet scream and whine if they have to attend a conference on a weekend.

13 posted on 03/13/2007 7:44:29 PM PDT by notaliberal (Democrats: the terrorists secret weapon)
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To: NormsRevenge
"A billion here and a billion there -- soon we'll talking about real money!"
14 posted on 03/13/2007 7:46:11 PM PDT by Aikonaa
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To: NormsRevenge
"for example to help the 20-member education committee understand California's complicated education financing system"

Why don't they recommend streamlining the financing process.

I don't know, maybe something simple like going back to having each school district pay its own way with property taxes.

And if there needs to be a little socialistic "equalization" then they should just come up with a simple formula and give out funds accordingly with no strings, regulations, rules, etc. attached.

If the funds get misspent at the local level then hopefully the local folks will see to it that this doesn't happen for long.

Or they can all go out and buy pizza and beer! And least some people will get some real benefit out of CA's education system.

15 posted on 03/13/2007 7:48:58 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: NormsRevenge

I know several people who work in public schools in California. They could throw 80 gazillion trillion skillion dollars at it...it ain't gonna help.


16 posted on 03/13/2007 7:51:00 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: NormsRevenge
OUTSOURCE TO INDIA. Cut the budget by 90%, and DOUBLE the results. And bring back spanking and beatings.

See how easy that was? Sometimes complex problems have simple solutions.

17 posted on 03/13/2007 8:03:33 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: NormsRevenge

Reforming public schools is similar to squeezing a cowpie with your fingers. You can make it into a different shape, but it's still sh*t and all you've done is get your hands dirty.

Privatize.


18 posted on 03/13/2007 8:07:58 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Yippee! My farmers' market finally got a cheese vendor!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The fox guarding the hen house?
Two estimates, both based on interviews with educators, estimate the cost of meeting the state's achievement goals at an additional $23 billion to $32 billion a year.
I'm sure there aren't any inflated estimates here. No - these are "scouts honor" honest folks here, right; none of them would be caught in their office watching gay porn surrounded by sex toys and selling speed to children or anything at all like that, right?
19 posted on 03/13/2007 8:17:13 PM PDT by the anti-liberal (OUR schools are damaging OUR children)
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To: the anti-liberal; NormsRevenge; metmom; doug from upland

Why the cynicism and skepticism? I believe them. I'm holding a bake sale to help raise funds this Saturday!


Not for the NEA but for NRTW.org....


20 posted on 03/13/2007 8:41:55 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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