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Contractors weigh in on new immigration bill
Glenwood Springs Post Independent, CO ^ | September 4, 2006 | Donna Gray

Posted on 09/07/2006 9:06:20 AM PDT by Dane

Colorado's new immigration laws are starting to cause a stir among businessmen in the valley. For contractor Mark Gould one bill in particular could mean the loss of about a quarter of his workforce.

Since House Bill 1343 took effect Aug. 7, Gould is now required to certify that he has no illegal workers on his payroll. The law applies to contractors working on projects for cities, counties, school districts and other governmental agencies.

According to the law, new workers must be checked through a Pilot Program, which is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Homeland Security. The program links employers to an online database that checks names against Social Security numbers to determine if the number is valid.

"We've been told (the database) is only 80 percent correct," Gould said.

Gould Construction employs about 100 people, many of them unskilled laborers, many of them Hispanic immigrants. About half his contracts are with local governments.

Although Gould said his company checks people's documents as a condition of employment to make sure they are legal immigrants, it's a matter of simple math to realize that many of them are probably living in this country illegally.

According to Denver's Bell Policy Center, in 2004 there were 435,000 foreign born immigrants in the state. Gould estimates there are about 250,000 who are here illegally.

"As you walk down the street one of every two immigrants is illegal," he said. "This is not rocket science."

He has already seen the fallout from the bill.

Currently the company has 10 openings, and only three people have applied. Hispanics are not applying, Gould said.

"If you listen to (congressman and anti-illegal immigration advocate) Tom Tancredo, he wants to send 250,000 people back home. Congressman Tancredo says employers are employing illegals when there are legal workers standing in line," Gould said.

If Tancredo, R-Colo., has his way - and HB 1343 could go a long way to making that happen - businesses like Gould's, hotels in Aspen and Vail, landscapers around the valley and others would be hard put to find employees.

Gould pays $14 an hour as starting pay. At that rate, a worker who puts in the usual 50 hour week and who makes time-and-a-half in overtime will get $770 a week. That's good pay for unskilled labor, but still Gould would be hamstrung without Hispanics applying for those positions.

American kids are finishing high school and going on to skilled jobs.

"Kids are trained on computers, they don't want to dig a ditch," Gould said.

"What's going to happen to our economy if those workers go home? It would mean the loss of about a quarter of the excavators, laborers, masons, concrete workers, landscapers, roofers, drywallers and insulators in the valley," he said.

"So far business has been silent, they're assuming no politician would hurt the economy to make their constituency happy, but that's just what they've done."

Gould, representing the Colorado Contractor's Association, was part of a round-table discussion with Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez at the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs Monday, Aug. 28. The secretary was there to gather comments about President Bush's proposal for comprehensive immigration reform, including a guest worker program.

Businesses are also keeping their heads down and not speaking out about the new immigration laws because they're fearful they'll attract the attention of ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement), Gould said.

Another Glenwood Springs contractor and former state representative, Gregg Rippy, agrees HB 1343 is flawed, although it will have less effect on his business. Rippy's government contracts account for about 35 percent of his business.

What the law is likely to do is drive contractors away from government projects and exclusively into the private sector, he said.

"You look at the level of work in the valley and why would you bid a city job when there is plenty of private work," he said.

That will also mean higher bids from contractors bidding on government contracts and higher construction costs. Contractors who do bid on government jobs will build in the cost of going through the process mandated by HB 1343.

Colorado should have waited for federal legislation to be put in place before passing its own immigration reform law, Gould said.

Any immigration reform should include a provision for a guest worker program that would allow employers to go to Mexico, for example, to choose workers and check their medical background and whether or not they have a criminal record. Most importantly, Gould said, foreign workers need to have biometric identification that contains individual and unforgeable markers such as fingerprints or eye scans.

Gould is now in the process of applying for 15 H2B temporary work visas for his employees. But this avenue of filling the need for unskilled workers is hampered by the U.S. State Department, which grants only 33,000 such visas annually for the entire country.

"We have 7 million workers in the construction industry in the U.S., and we project we'll need 180,000 new workers annually for the next 10 years - that's 1.8 million," Gould said. "That's just our industry, not hospitality or tourism. This economy would be toast if we lost (immigrant) workers."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aliens; buchanan; danethread; glennbeck; hannity; immigrantlist; marklevin; owned; rushlimbaugh; tancredo
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To: dljordan
Your respect for the U.S. and it's laws is obviously not very high. I'm supposing that must be the culture wherever you hail from. These people are breaking the law but you obviously feel there should be a separate law for Hispanic invaders.

Please tell me of a culture where not building shelter has survived?

21 posted on 09/07/2006 9:29:22 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Per your post #10, I'm assuming that you're going to give back your TV, stereo, and MP3 player so that you can get your butt out in the yard post-haste and start doing something productive.


22 posted on 09/07/2006 9:30:08 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: taxed2death

I would take it even further. If I'm ever injured by an illegal I'm sure I could find an attorney willing to sue the company that hired the illegal. After all, the illegal wouldn't be here without means of support.


23 posted on 09/07/2006 9:30:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: Dane

The Feds should put you in prison for aiding and abbeting criminals!


24 posted on 09/07/2006 9:32:25 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: rottndog

Oh man, that is pure gold!


25 posted on 09/07/2006 9:33:10 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: MrEdd; MikefromOhio; Dane
That wasn't mine--I linked it to a post from MikefromOhio on that thread I linked to in my last post. It's a long thread, hosted by Dane, but Dane really gets bi#$h slapped around for a couple of days. Quite hilarious, and quite informative about Dane and his/her/it's open borders cohorts.
26 posted on 09/07/2006 9:34:41 AM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Per your post #10, I'm assuming that you're going to give back your TV, stereo, and MP3 player so that you can get your butt out in the yard post-haste and start doing something productive.

As will you, I surmise.

27 posted on 09/07/2006 9:35:04 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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"The government owes me employees."

"I'm a bidness man, I'm entitled" added Gould.

28 posted on 09/07/2006 9:35:05 AM PDT by primeval patriot (Now with 10% more extremism!)
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To: Dane
This will have ZERO effect on the underground cash economy other than to make it bigger.


BUMP

29 posted on 09/07/2006 9:35:42 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Dane

I like my amnesty plan!
Please call them INVADERS and don't compare them to people who are legal aliens!
IF you aid and abet CRIMINALS, you are a criminal!

President Bush has been great on most things except for our border.
He has been great on the war on terrorists.
But on the border he is a gross failure.
He acted fast and correct on the 3,000+ people murdered at the world trade center.
He ignores the many rapes, murders and robberies which might be larger than the murders and money loss at the world trade center.
More Americans are abducted on the border of Mexico than in Iraq!

Start building the fence.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


30 posted on 09/07/2006 9:35:54 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: tumblindice

"Hi Dane. How's tricks?"

" http://www.holoweb.com/cannon/commons.htm "

Well now, that's just great. Glad to hear it!
Are you heading south soon?
" http://www.holoweb.com/cannon/commons.htm "
Have a safe trip!
" http://www.holoweb.com/cannon/commons.htm "


31 posted on 09/07/2006 9:36:58 AM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Dane

Please tell me what relevence your reply has to anything relating to this thread. Sorry attempt at shifting the argument, chief.


32 posted on 09/07/2006 9:37:59 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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To: Dane
Let me bring some facts to your cry baby fluff piece on the "poor contractors". Any contractor not filthy rich after this housing bubble should be checked into a mental institution for being as dumb as a damn brick:

Jobs Americans Won't Do?
Think again.

By Rich Lowry

A core element of the American creed has always been a belief in the dignity of labor—at least until now. Supporters of a guest-worker program for Mexican laborers say that "there are jobs that no Americans will do." This is an argument that is a step away from suggesting that there are jobs that Americans shouldn't do.
President George Bush, a strong supporter of the guest-worker program, has long said that "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande." We are supposed to believe, however, that the work ethic does stop there—it is only south of it that people can be found who are willing to work in construction, landscaping and agricultural jobs. So, without importing those people into our labor market, these jobs would go unfilled, disrupting the economy (and creating an epidemic of unkempt lawns in Southern California).

This is sheer nonsense. According to a new survey by the Pew Hispanic Center, illegals make up 24 percent of workers in agriculture, 17 percent in cleaning, 14 percent in construction, and 12 percent in food production. So 86 percent of construction workers, for instance, are either legal immigrants or Americans, despite the fact that this is one of the alleged categories of untouchable jobs.

Oddly, the people who warn that without millions of cheap, unskilled Mexican laborers, this country would face economic disaster are pro-business libertarians. They believe in the power of the market to handle anything—except a slightly tighter labor market for unskilled workers. But the free market would inevitably adjust, with higher wages or technological innovation.

Take agriculture. Phillip Martin, an economist at the University of California, Davis, has demolished the argument that a crackdown on illegals would ruin it, or be a hardship to consumers. Most farming—livestock, grains, etc.—doesn't heavily rely on hired workers. Only about 20 percent of the farm sector does, chiefly those areas involving fresh fruit and vegetables.

The average "consumer unit" in the U.S. spends $7 a week on fresh fruit and vegetables, less than is spent on alcohol, according to Martin. On a $1 head of lettuce, the farm worker gets about 6 or 7 cents, roughly 1/15th of the retail price. Even a big run-up in the cost of labor can't hit the consumer very hard.

Martin recalls that the end of the bracero guest-worker program in the mid-1960s caused a one-year 40 percent wage increase for the United Farm Workers Union. A similar wage increase for legal farm workers today would work out to about a 10-dollar-a-year increase in the average family's bill for fruit and vegetables. Another thing happened with the end of the bracero program: The processed-tomato industry, which was heavily dependent on guest workers and was supposed to be devastated by their absence, learned how to mechanize and became more productive.

So the market will manage with fewer illegal aliens. In agriculture, Martin speculates that will mean technological innovation in some sectors (peaches), and perhaps a shifting to production abroad in others (strawberries). There is indeed a niche for low-skill labor in America. The question is simply whether it should be filled by illegal or temporary Mexicans workers, or instead by legal immigrants and Americans, who can command slightly higher wages. The guest-worker lobby prefers the former option.

If this debate is presented clearly, there is little doubt what most conservatives—and the public—would prefer. In his second term, President Bush has become a master of the reverse-wedge issue—hot-button issues that divide his political base and get it to feast on itself with charges of sexism, xenophobia and racism. The first was Harriet Miers; then there was the Dubai ports deal; and now comes his guest-worker proposal, making for a trifecta of political self-immolation.

There is still time for Bush to make an escape from this latest budding political disaster, but it has to begin with the affirmation that there are no jobs Americans won't do.
33 posted on 09/07/2006 9:38:40 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Please tell me what relevence your reply has to anything relating to this thread. Sorry attempt at shifting the argument, chief.

Uh Chief there, you were the one who stated I give up modern conforts, just asking you to do the same.

34 posted on 09/07/2006 9:39:54 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

LOL!


35 posted on 09/07/2006 9:42:08 AM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: P-40

This is exactly right and legal citizens who work for these contractors can not get paid what their back breaking work is worth because of illegals taking a small wage for their labor.


36 posted on 09/07/2006 9:42:23 AM PDT by BubbaGOP
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To: Dane
Here's another article to help you with the facts:

Seeing Today’s Immigrants Straight

37 posted on 09/07/2006 9:42:36 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: primeval patriot
"I'm a bidness man, I'm entitled" added Gould.

Funny how that works isn't it? The same companies that lobby to keep us from going across the border for cheaper medicines also lobby the govt to allow them to cross the border for cheaper labor.
38 posted on 09/07/2006 9:42:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: conservativecorner

You do know little Richy Lowry has never picked up a shovel in his whole life, but because of his pedigree at National Review, he becomes an expert on the subject of contractor employment, according to you.


39 posted on 09/07/2006 9:42:38 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

The X-Box comment wasn't mine. It's your implication that those damn kids don't need money for X-Boxes but it's OK for you to sit around playing on your computer. So when are you going to give back everything in your house that isn't needed for bare subsistence?


40 posted on 09/07/2006 9:43:34 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." - GW Bush, referring to DNC's lack of a platform on ANYTHING)
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