Posted on 08/26/2006 6:53:08 AM PDT by freespirited
Boulder District Attorney investigator Mark Spray has contacted a man who believes he could have encountered the JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect on a bus in the early morning hours of Dec. 26, 1996. Daniel Pride, now of Portsmouth, N.H., said he was at the downtown bus station in Boulder sometime shortly after 12:30 a.m. when a man arrived, behaving strangely and bearing a resemblance to John Mark Karr, arrested last week in the case.
He said the man didn't want to be noticed and pulled away when Pride asked if he had a light for a cigarette. The man boarded the same bus as Pride, and exchanged strange glances with him once aboard, Pride said.
Pride said the individual was wearing a Western fleece vest with a "shiny red spot" that Pride took to be a stain.
Asked how he could remember the event in such detail, Pride said it was because the man acted so strangely, and because he found out about JonBenet's death soon after. At some point after the murder, Pride said he called the tip into Boulder police.
Pride decided to again leave his tip with the DA's office Aug. 18. Spray contacted him five days later, and interviewed him over the phone, Pride said.
Pride provided an e-mail from Spray in which the investigator said he was interested in talking to him. Spray wanted to know what Pride was wearing on the same night, said Pride, who said he thought he could obtain the information from friends who had photos of a gathering that Pride attended on Christmas of 1996.
It's impossible to know the significance of the interview. Those familiar with investigations said Spray could simply be following a lead that could put Karr in Boulder, or might have been trying to corroborate information that he'd already obtained elsewhere.
Pride said the stranger got off the bus on the highway outside of Boulder.
Pride's story seems to have at least one hitch: The Ramsey house is some distance from the downtown Boulder bus station. Even if JonBenet's death occurred prior to midnight - the exact time is unknown - it's a significant walk from that property on 15th Street to the bus depot.
Slightly incomplete comparison. You would have to determine if Burkean was present in the town where this notorious event took place. And if so if there had been any unusual events, say a person acting bizarre who he had personally interacted with, in the immediate time frame of the murder.
You would be better off asking someone who was in NY City when the Towers fell, or who were in the same airport lounge area where the planes took off from that day what they remembered unusual within hours of an event like that, not someone watching it from afar.
Though I don't think it is likely that this guy had anything to do with the murder, the very fact that he knows so many apparently accurate details about the murder (along with some demonstrably questionable ones) could be taken as a clue that he did it, based on your questions to Burkean. Again, I don't think it likely, but I won't rule out the possibility yet. Remember, everything we "know" about what's going on is being provided to us by the drive by media. 90% of that information is crap, therefore I'll wait till more information is available and can be examined under appropriate circumstances.
Same guy? ZOT!
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Posted on 05/29/2006 8:48:25 AM CDT by DanPride
I am curious why none of the media covers the most important aspect of the Malvo shootings. If you look at Newspapers on the dates when the shootings are underway you discover something I find quite interesting. The shootings begin to dominate the news the day before the debate on the Iraq war starts and they catch them the day after the declaration of war??? If you ask most people "do you remember the debate about starting the second Iraq war", they will all answer "yes of course". But if you followup with the question "name one point in the debate, a speech by a Senator or where their senator stood", nada.
Almost no one noticed any aspect of the most important debate in the last 50 years?
And interesting and odd fact. No one has done a story on what the real impact of the shootings were. It was to virtually eliminate the war debate from the media.
The special forces background of the senior member of the pair also seems to get short shrift.
Smells a little fishy to me based on what little I know about it. At minimum its a very significant part of the story, i.e. that a common murderer had such an impact on our political process. Why is nobody covering this obvious fact?
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Certain events and times are frozen ("seared, seared") into our memories if they have significance, or other events highlight them. Some years ago a young woman was found dead in the parking lot of the place where I worked. I happened to come into work before 6:30 that morning and parked in an entirely different parking lot.
I recall rehearsing the events of that morning and searching my mind for any observations. That morning and the events or that day are still pretty vivid in memory. I was asked to fill in a witness questionnaire by the local police, although I really didn't see or know anything significant.
I don't know. But, if I had seen a real weirdo with a red spot on his shirt right around the same time I'd probably remember more about it. Especially if I had reported it to the police.
So he would have stuck out like a sore thumb at the Ramsey Christmas party. Besides, the party was on December 23rd and the child was murdered on December 26th. Note that we have yet (as best I can tell) to see anyone that was at the party come forward to mention that they saw the weirdo there. That's because everyone at the party knew each other.
The Bolder DA and the Bolder Police that worked the case at the beginning will probably once again come off as bumbling and inept. Because that's what they have been on this case from day one.
For a lot of interesting information on the case see here.
The parents treated the child like a queen, literally. I don't see them taking her out of bed and bashing her head in. The older brother was 10 at the time and while he was larger than his sister the way she was killed was brutal and the way the rope was tied was probably beyond him as was the letter that was left.
I'd love to see Karr be the guy but at this point I don't see how he could be.
I might have seen Karr in 1996, too. I don't think so, but if he was somewhere I was, I might have seen him. Do I get my name in the newspaper, now?
Not trying to be nitpicky, but you forgot Natalee Holloway....
what about ten years later
I am not going to believe some
miraculously recently discovered police
report that somebody on xx-xx-96 supposedly
saw somebody in a stained jacket.
nobody is that stupid
I like it that you see the Ramseys as poor suspects. So do I.
But most of those who major in the so-called forensics and circumstantial evidence have hung the Ramseys long ago.
There IS the Lou Smit detective guy who developed the "signs of an intruder" approach, and he did well with that. So there's a few souls of "the Ramseys did it" school who've recently admitted that, ok, it looks BOTH like there could be an intruder AND that the Ramseys did something bad.
But they always go back to their long-ago conclusion that it had to be an inside job.
I totally disagree with them, but this is a very confusing, conflicting case.
About Karr and the points you made...
The party was attended by people close to the Ramseys and who knew one another...that's true.
If Karr had tried to come as a guest (supposedly with a brother who he said worked for Ramsey [nobody as nailed that one down yet, that we know of]), there's no way that would have worked out. FReeper bonfire speculated, was it possible Karr was there as a worker for the party scene, not as a guest. I'm not saying yes or no. I don't know if that is even possible. Just clarifying that there COULD be more to it than the cut and dried information that is out there now.
No question the investigation was botched. But this is a very complex case and Boulder wasn't really up to such a case. But the current DA is not Alex Hunter. And Alex Hunter was hampered by police botching this. There's even some confusion over the autopsy findings and exactly what was the medical examiner saying.
I'm taking a wait and see attitude until I hear more of what the current DA has to present.
I like it that you see the Ramseys as poor suspects. So do I.
But most of those who major in the so-called forensics and circumstantial evidence have hung the Ramseys long ago.
There IS the Lou Smit detective guy who developed the "signs of an intruder" approach, and he did well with that. So there's a few souls of "the Ramseys did it" school who've recently admitted that, ok, it looks BOTH like there could be an intruder AND that the Ramseys did something bad.
But they always go back to their long-ago conclusion that it had to be an inside job.
I totally disagree with them, but this is a very confusing, conflicting case.
About Karr and the points you made...
The party was attended by people close to the Ramseys and who knew one another...that's true.
If Karr had tried to come as a guest (supposedly with a brother who he said worked for Ramsey [nobody as nailed that one down yet, that we know of]), there's no way that would have worked out. FReeper bonfire speculated, was it possible Karr was there as a worker for the party scene, not as a guest. I'm not saying yes or no. I don't know if that is even possible. Just clarifying that there COULD be more to it than the cut and dried information that is out there now.
No question the investigation was botched. But this is a very complex case and Boulder wasn't really up to such a case. But the current DA is not Alex Hunter. And Alex Hunter was hampered by police botching this. There's even some confusion over the autopsy findings and exactly what was the medical examiner saying.
I'm taking a wait and see attitude until I hear more of what the current DA has to present.
Oh, you're absolutely right! How did I let that one get away? Must have been a senior moment.
You do realize that the DUmmies floated that exact theory when this story broke don't you?
Please do not tell anyone that I had the same thought as a DUmmy......
The Jonbenet killing did not affect me like it would have affected those in nearby Colorado communities like this possible witness (or sick freaks who obsess over her like Karr) so my remembrances of it from two thousand miles away would not be a fair comparison.
Some things affect us on a national level, like Kennedy's assassination, the space shuttle blowing up, the World Trade Center, Pearl Harboar, and some things affect us on a community level. And certainly those in the immediate vicinity of the Ramsey's home would have far more remembrance of what they were doing and what was going on around them when the incident occurred.
My apologies for the double post.
I like your approach.
You've exposed the crackpot! Good work, maggie!
More here, onyx:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1686829/posts?page=2351#2351
http://www.kingsolomonsgate.com/
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Scroll down to the JonBenet links.
He's a crackpot. Doesn't merit 1 minute of "fame."
About a mile and a half, not far if you do any walking at all, or if you're possessed by motivation.
Especially since there was no blood involved at the crime scene
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