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The Trouble When Jane Becomes Jack
New York Times ^ | August 20, 2006 | PAUL VITELLO

Posted on 08/19/2006 9:42:47 PM PDT by hiho hiho

IN the most recent season of the lesbian soap opera, “The L Word,” a new character named Moira announced to her friends that, through surgery and hormone therapy, she would soon be a new person named Max.

“It just saddens me to see so many of our strong butch women giving up their womanhood to be a man,” one friend said.

The sentiment was a tamer version of what many other women wrote on lesbian blogs and Web sites in the weeks after the episode was broadcast last spring. Many called for the Max character to be killed off next season. One suggested dispatching him “by testosterone overdose.”

The reaction to the fictional character captured the bitter tension that can exist over gender reassignment. Among lesbians — the group from which most transgendered men emerge — the increasing number of women who are choosing to pursue life as a man can provoke a deep resentment and almost existential anxiety, raising questions of gender loyalty and political identity, as well as debates about who is and who isn’t, and who never was, a real woman.

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It has been a subtext of gay politics in San Francisco, the only city in the country that covers employees’ sex-change medical expenses. And it bubbles to the surface every summer at the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival, a lesbian gathering to which only “women born as women and living as women” are invited — a ban on transgendered people of either sex.

Barbara Price, a former festival producer, said the uneasiness has been “a big topic among lesbians for quite some time.”

“There are many people who look at what these young women are doing, and say to themselves, ‘Hey, by turning yourselves into men, don’t you realize you’re going over to the other side?’”

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: addadicktomy; disorders; genderiddisorder; homosexualagenda; mentalillness; psychology; trashtv
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What a mess!!
1 posted on 08/19/2006 9:42:48 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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>>>>‘Hey, by turning yourselves into men, don’t you realize you’re going over to the other side?’

Other side of what?


2 posted on 08/19/2006 9:45:26 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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I think what they mean is that they're becoming 'the enemy', which of course are men.


3 posted on 08/19/2006 9:47:10 PM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: hiho hiho

When are they going to realize they can't have it all 400 ways they want to. By only concentrating on one's sexual behavior (deviancy) there is no way to be all inclusive.


4 posted on 08/19/2006 9:47:17 PM PDT by justche (If you're afraid of the future, then get out of the way, stand aside. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: hiho hiho

Cat fight! Get out the popcorn.


5 posted on 08/19/2006 9:48:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: hiho hiho

addadicktomy?


6 posted on 08/19/2006 9:53:53 PM PDT by umgud (Do moderate muslims luv us infidels and Jews?.... Didn't think so.)
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To: hiho hiho

Girls will be boys!


7 posted on 08/19/2006 9:55:02 PM PDT by Rabble
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I understood that. I still don't consider them men.


8 posted on 08/19/2006 9:57:13 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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"I think what they mean is that they're becoming 'the enemy', which of course are men."

Gives new meaning to "Sleeping With The Enemy"!

9 posted on 08/19/2006 9:58:52 PM PDT by Rabble
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To: hiho hiho

who watches this?


10 posted on 08/19/2006 9:59:24 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: hiho hiho
I have always found it amusing that many lesbians seem to have both an active dislike of men and yet do their best to imitate them. They seem to actually view life as some kind of battle of the sexes with men as the enemy, but they try to look and act as much like the enemy as possible.

Gay men are different. They will often act effeminate and imitate women, but very seldom do they actually have any antipathy towards women. They just don't seem to be as angry as lesbians are.

11 posted on 08/19/2006 10:00:42 PM PDT by elmer fudd
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As my grandmother always says..

But are they happy?

:D


12 posted on 08/19/2006 10:01:27 PM PDT by Bubble Girl
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Good Grief!


13 posted on 08/19/2006 10:01:55 PM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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I understood that. I still don't consider them men.

Neither do I, or does anyone with common sense.

14 posted on 08/19/2006 10:03:12 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: hiho hiho

Given that I had someone argue with me the other day that being gay has absolutely positively nothing to do with sexual activity (or desired sexual activity for the abstainers), I can't say I'm suprised to have some women who like women who don't like men who are women and vice versa.


15 posted on 08/19/2006 10:03:19 PM PDT by Shion (Jaded Southern Californian)
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Girls will be boys!

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola

16 posted on 08/19/2006 10:03:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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No


17 posted on 08/19/2006 10:06:32 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: hiho hiho

Yeah, no more smile, but now there is a place to hang your hat.


18 posted on 08/19/2006 10:07:59 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you are there thats the best)
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To: hiho hiho
Among lesbians — the group from which most transgendered men emerge —

I can think of one exception: The straight guy who was dating a lesbian, had sex change surgery to become a woman for her, and then she broke up with him.

My father told me about that show. After retiring, it was the first and last talk show he ever watched... lol. I remember him saying: "Can you believe that idiot?"

19 posted on 08/19/2006 10:11:03 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yes, that Kinks song has taken a whole new meaning today, hasn't it? LOL.


20 posted on 08/19/2006 10:12:04 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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