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Amazon rainforest ‘could become a desert’
daily times pakistan ^ | 7/24/06 | daily times monitor

Posted on 07/24/2006 4:44:22 AM PDT by voletti

LAHORE: The vast Amazon rainforest is on the verge of being turned into desert, with catastrophic consequences for the world’s climate, alarming research suggests.

And the process, which would be irreversible, could begin as early as next year.

Geoffrey Lean and Fred Pearce, writing for The Independent on Sunday, quote studies conducted by the blue-chip Woods Hole Research Centre in Amazonia as concluding that the forest cannot withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without breaking down.

“Scientists say that this would spread drought into the northern hemisphere, including Britain, and could massively accelerate global warming with incalculable consequences, spinning out of control, a process that might end in the world becoming uninhabitable,” Lean and Pearce report.

The news comes amidst a heat wave in Britain and much of Europe and the United States. It is also in the wake of a warning by an international group of experts that the forest is reaching a “tipping point” that would lead to its total destruction, the Independent reports. Lean and Pearce say that the research has taken even the scientists conducting it by surprise.

“When Dr Dan Nepstead started the experiment in 2002 – by covering a chunk of rainforest the size of a football pitch with plastic panels to see how it would cope without rain – he surrounded it with sophisticated sensors, expecting to record only minor changes,” The Independent reports.

“The trees managed the first year of drought without difficulty. In the second year, they sunk their roots deeper to find moisture, but survived. But in year three, they started dying. Beginning with the tallest the trees started to come crashing down, exposing the forest floor to the drying sun.

By the end of the year the trees had released more than two-thirds of the carbon dioxide they have stored during their lives, helping to act as a break on global warming. Instead they began accelerating the climate change.”

Lean and Pearce report that the Amazon was entering its second successive year of drought, and could start dying as early as next year. It contains 90 billion tonnes of carbon, enough to increase the rate of global warming by 50 percent.

“Dr Nepstead expects ‘mega-fires’ rapidly to sweep across the drying jungle. With the trees gone, the soil will bake in the sun and the rainforest could become desert,” The Independent reports.

“Dr Deborah Clark from the University of Missouri, one of the world’s top forest ecologists, says the research shows that ‘the lock has broken’ on the Amazon ecosystem. She adds: the Amazon is ‘headed in a terrible direction’.”


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1 posted on 07/24/2006 4:44:24 AM PDT by voletti
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To: voletti

Oh boy.


2 posted on 07/24/2006 4:46:25 AM PDT by xrp (Fox News Channel: MISSING WHITE GIRL NETWORK)
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To: voletti

Oh, puh-leeze......


3 posted on 07/24/2006 4:47:11 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: voletti

SMUG ALERT! MANBEARPIG ALERT!

good for the Amazon. who gives a capibara's @ss.


4 posted on 07/24/2006 4:48:29 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: voletti
While I do not subscribe to the usual global warming hype, I am gravely concerned about anthropogenic damage to the Amazon basin. Huge areas are affected/ruined/altered 'forever' by irresponsible farming actions.

WE should be more worried about this than whether or not Palestinians have a homeland.
5 posted on 07/24/2006 4:48:40 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag

Now this is bad science ...

"“When Dr Dan Nepstead started the experiment in 2002 – by covering a chunk of rainforest the size of a football pitch with plastic panels to see how it would cope without rain – he surrounded it with sophisticated sensors, expecting to record only minor changes,” The Independent reports.

“The trees managed the first year of drought without difficulty. In the second year, they sunk their roots deeper to find moisture, but survived. But in year three, they started dying. Beginning with the tallest the trees started to come crashing down, exposing the forest floor to the drying sun.

By the end of the year the trees had released more than two-thirds of the carbon dioxide they have stored during their lives, helping to act as a break on global warming. Instead they began accelerating the climate change.”


6 posted on 07/24/2006 4:49:53 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag
E should be more worried about this than whether or not Palestinians have a homeland.

Here here!

Alas, there are an awful lot of fiddle players out there on the world stage.

7 posted on 07/24/2006 4:51:48 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength)
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To: voletti
...the process, which would be irreversible, could begin as early as next year.
July 12, 4 p.m.?
In dimly understood complex system the only certainty is held by the insane or the demagogue.

The Independent on Sunday, quote studies conducted by the blue-chip Woods Hole Research Centre in Amazonia as concluding that the forest cannot withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without breaking down.
I always though it ironic that the "back to nature" Bugs and Bunny crowd whose goal is to eliminate big business as a concept, would use the words, "bluechip" to endow a cited source with respectability and with the cachet of competence.

It didn't work in this case..

If the Amazon is destined for deserttification, neither the insane nor the competent can prevent it. Whenever it happens.

8 posted on 07/24/2006 4:53:05 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: voletti

Sahara desert could become a rainforest.

Just as likely.


9 posted on 07/24/2006 4:54:51 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (OEF vet says: I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Blueflag
Now this is bad science ...
It's worse than that. He knew exactly what would happen and that the results would support his already biased conclusion.
10 posted on 07/24/2006 4:54:54 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Publius6961

Since what seems to be needed is some rain. Maybe we could get a rain machine and send it down there. Oh !!Thats right, we dont have a rain machine do we?


11 posted on 07/24/2006 4:56:40 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: voletti
"Dr Nepstead expects `mega-fires' rapidly to sweep across the drying jungle.

Forest fires cause global cooling from particulates. Plus a healthy rainforest produces lots of methane. Look at a picture of global methane (sorry lost my link) and you will see the most massive amounts coming out of the rainforests.

12 posted on 07/24/2006 4:57:43 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: voletti
oh no

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!!

13 posted on 07/24/2006 5:00:33 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: voletti
And the process, which would be irreversible, could begin as early as next year.

Or as late as 2075 ... but it's all very scientific, really!

14 posted on 07/24/2006 5:00:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Whiskey for my men, hyperbolic rodomontade for my horses.)
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To: voletti
If I read this news item correctly, this nut case set out to prove what most six-year-olds in the world know: deprive a tree or plant of water, and it dies.

Al Gore "science".

Ok. Next "news" item...
Oh yes, the technique: cite a ridiculously obvious fact; prove it "scientifically". Then go on a rant with endless handwringing over (scientifically) totally unrelated causes and consequences.

15 posted on 07/24/2006 5:01:40 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: palmer

I think you'll find that wetlands by far produce the most methane followed by forest termites, and oceans. They are the top three sources of (natural) methane.


16 posted on 07/24/2006 5:01:50 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: voletti
“Dr Deborah Clark from the University of Missouri, one of the world’s top forest ecologists, says the research shows that ‘the lock has broken’ on the Amazon ecosystem. She adds: the Amazon is ‘headed in a terrible direction’.”

What's new?
Nature is cruel, unfeeling and uncompromising; and the one constant in nature is change.

17 posted on 07/24/2006 5:03:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: voletti

..........yea..and San Fancisco may become a Mormon stronghold.....


18 posted on 07/24/2006 5:05:08 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: palmer

Land fills, refineries (and similar) and the bowels of cud-chewing domesticated livestock are the three largest 'man-made' sources of methane.


19 posted on 07/24/2006 5:06:21 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: voletti

Those Amazon trees are sure resilient.

2 years without rain and they all survive. Most survived even the third year without rain.

Drought resistent tropical rain forest (averaging 100 inches of rain per year), who would have guessed it.


20 posted on 07/24/2006 5:08:13 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: voletti

Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda! Let us know when it happens!


21 posted on 07/24/2006 5:13:22 AM PDT by wolfcreek (You can spit in our tacos and you can rape our dogs but, you can't take away our freedom!)
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To: voletti
"...studies conducted by the blue-chip Woods Hole Research Centre in Amazonia...Dr Dan Nepstead started the experiment in 2002 – by covering a chunk of rainforest the size of a football pitch with plastic panels to see how it would cope without rain..."

Our tax dollars at work? He actually obtained a grant to see what happens if you exclude rain from a rain forest?

I wonder what would happen if you removed the water from the ocean? (Sadly, I am not a Ph.D. at MIT so I will probably not receive a grant to explore this brilliant idea!)


22 posted on 07/24/2006 5:15:02 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: voletti
Chicken Little syndrome. The sky is falling. That fact alone requires the immediate totalitarian transformation of government to MAKE PEOPLE STOP!

If anyone has been in the Amazon, you know that plants can grow so fast you can see them do it, like watching the hour hand on a clock.

The only thing that could possibly destroy the bio-mass of the Amazon Basin is a complete cessation of rain fall, and even then the massive compost process would carry plant life for hundreds of years.

This is just a revisit of the idea: " My daughter will be a virgin her whole life!"

23 posted on 07/24/2006 5:19:56 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: voletti

This just proves one should not do drugs and science at the same time.


24 posted on 07/24/2006 5:23:58 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Rush was a victim of profiling)
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To: voletti

Algore at it again? He just HAS to quit bellowing all that hot air - it's changing the Amazon climate....

Seriously, has anyone been down to the Amazon region? I have yet to hear what I would call a reliable source claiming that the region is about to turn into a desert. My understanding is that that would require the rain to dry up - and I haven't seen or heard any evidence that that is happening.


25 posted on 07/24/2006 5:26:16 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of a Cancer on Society)
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To: Blueflag
You forgot to mention Taco eating Mexican illegals, the greatest source of Urban Methane in the USA. The lock is broken, and the desertification of Urban American could begin as early as next year.

First our Urban centers will dry up as a result of a collapsing economy due to crime, as our giant institutions which preserve the American lifestyle of individual freedoms based on responsibility of each of us, come crashing down.

The rule of law shall end and the precincts of our large cities will have no more cars, only braying donkeys that sidle back and forth aimlessly while their owners do weed in the shadows of a society of freedom long forgotten!We need a totalitarian state right NOW!

26 posted on 07/24/2006 5:27:44 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: voletti

Climatoligists are well aware of many past episodes of "mega El Ninos" in South America. These resulted in intense drought in the rain forest and huge forest fires.

Somehow the jungle always survives and regenerates.


27 posted on 07/24/2006 5:32:56 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Blueflag

Hey yahoo "scientist", cover up your entire lawn with plastic garbage bags and prevent any moisture from entering for 3 years....hmmm...do you think anything will die? BONEHEAD!


28 posted on 07/24/2006 5:47:41 AM PDT by Obadiah (Liberals: Blazingly Stupid!)
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To: voletti
chick2

"Global Warming is coming; Global Warming is coming. The Earth will soon become "Uninhabitable."

"We are all going to Die!"

"Repent now all ye sinners, (That's thee and not me, don't you know, for I am pure of heart--and don't own a Hummer, or use hair spray and would rather swelter than turn on my air conditioner) before its too late and God's wrath descends on all American, Capitalist Pigs who have used up all of His precious resources and despoiled His Universe."

29 posted on 07/24/2006 5:55:45 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: voletti

Wow, what fascinating science. Cut out water and sun from plants and they die! Who knew?

This is an obviously conclusive scientific study. After all, it was done by a "scientist", and they know more than you do.


30 posted on 07/24/2006 6:02:00 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: xrp

The sky is falling? And now they have a date!! Next year!!! I am SO TIRED of the hysteria.


31 posted on 07/24/2006 6:12:08 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: voletti

Is this what happened to the Sahara rain forest?


32 posted on 07/24/2006 6:14:24 AM PDT by CPOSharky (They hate America until someone shoots at them.)
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To: voletti

Woods Hole must be running out of funding.


33 posted on 07/24/2006 6:16:07 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: sgtbono2002
Oh !!Thats right, we dont have a rain machine do we?

No, but it's on lay-away down at the Haliburton Outlet.

34 posted on 07/24/2006 6:25:33 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: voletti

And don't forget that poison ivy is going to grow much better because of 'global warming." we will have the Amazon basin filled with poison ivy. It will be a disaster.


35 posted on 07/24/2006 6:33:17 AM PDT by oldtimer2 (You don' t defeat terrorism with temperance)
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To: Blueflag; Obadiah

It might just be bad reporting. Hard call to make in the circumstance. The experiement may have been legitimate and the reporter an idiot at explaining it.


36 posted on 07/24/2006 6:34:58 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is Strength)
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To: JustDoItAlways
We watched the Brokaw (IIRC) doomsday special on Discovery over the weekend. An ecologist who studies the Amazon dug down a long ways (sorry, we were so busy screaming at the TV, I missed the depth) and found that the trees in the Amazon have extremely deep roots. The ecologist still maintained that *someday* the trees could theoretically be unable to reach enough water to survive. This prediction was accompanied by aerial views of vast tracts of mature canopy forest.

I recall being told in the past that the trees in the rain forest have shallow roots due to what was claimed to be poor soils. The warning then was that the slightest upset to the rain forest ecology would cause the soils to dry up and the trees to fall over, rot, release carbon, etc.

It wasn't that long ago that research from the Planck Institute for Nuclear Physics was released that disproved the *lungs of the planet* idea by showing that the rain forest actually releases huge plumes of methane, as do fields of grain crops.

From the article:

"The evidence of direct methane emissions from plants also explains the unexpectedly high methane concentrations over tropical forests, measured only recently via satellite by a research group from the University of Heidelberg.

But why would such a seemingly obvious discovery only come about now, 20 years after hundreds of scientists around the globe started investigating the global methane cycle? "Methane could not really be created that way," says Dr. Frank Keppler. "Until now all the textbooks have said that biogenic methane can only be produced in the absence of oxygen. For that simple reason, nobody looked closely at this."

The fact is that, in order to determine the quantity of emissions, scientists indeed have to make very careful measurements. The researchers from Heidelberg conducted most of their experiments in methane-free air, in order to factor out the high natural background of methane. Furthermore they used isotope analysis to show beyond doubt that this was an undiscovered process of methane production. By "looking closely" - despite established opinion - they made a discovery that will require textbooks to have their passages about methane production rewritten."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060115155754.htm
37 posted on 07/24/2006 6:53:06 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: yankeedame

Hopw about Walmart? Dont they have one?


38 posted on 07/24/2006 6:53:20 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: voletti
Geoffrey Lean and Fred Pearce, writing for The Independent on Sunday, quote studies conducted by the blue-chip Woods Hole Research Centre in Amazonia as concluding that the forest cannot withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without breaking down.

Is he telling us that there has never been three consecutive drought years in the Amazon in human history in the region?

If this is true is there anything that can possibly be done to reverse this process?

39 posted on 07/24/2006 6:55:35 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (999-TNS)
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To: reformedliberal

live link
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/01/060115155754.htm


40 posted on 07/24/2006 6:56:13 AM PDT by reformedliberal ("Eliminate the mullahs and Islam shall disappear in fifty years." Ayatollah Khomeini)
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To: voletti

"Each year, the Rainforest is responsible for over three thousand deaths from accidents, attacks or illnesses. There are over seven hundred things in the Rainforest that cause cancer. Join the fight now and help stop the Rainforest before it's too late." - South Park


41 posted on 07/24/2006 6:57:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Vaquero
"the forest cannot withstand more than two consecutive years of drought without breaking down"

Anyone know yet that it's BUSH'S fault?

42 posted on 07/24/2006 7:02:32 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: JustDoItAlways

I want to know who or what is responsible for my finding fossilized sea shells many places here in central Indiana.

Could it possibly be that there was once an ocean here?

Nature isn't static!


43 posted on 07/24/2006 8:32:58 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: voletti

Paging Ms. Little; Ms Chicken Little. Please meet your party in the Amazon.


44 posted on 07/24/2006 8:57:35 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (All Marines can throw a grenade. The really, really good ones can throw a slider with one.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Wasn't there a recent finding that Antarctica was a jungle, um rain forest at some point?

Or was it that Antarctica was a dessert? No wait, that was Alaska, baked. Antarctica might have been a desert.

45 posted on 07/24/2006 9:08:07 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: voletti

And I 'could be banging Claudia Schiffer'.


46 posted on 07/24/2006 9:13:05 AM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Sometimes, when the boy cries wolf, there really is a wolf.

Even if the boy is wearing a rainbow t-shirt, doesn't bathe, and lives in a tree. :)


47 posted on 07/24/2006 9:17:49 AM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: Calvin Locke

its all Crapola!


48 posted on 07/24/2006 9:36:57 AM PDT by Notwithstanding (OEF vet says: I love my German shepherd - Benedict XVI reigns!)
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To: Blueflag

Don't forget to look at methane sinks. It tends to break down quickly (and warming, manmade or not, increases the rate of break down). My major point about forests still holds, if you want global cooling it is better to burn them.


49 posted on 07/24/2006 9:56:41 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: palmer

Old growth forests are net polluters -- kill em all!!!


50 posted on 07/24/2006 10:23:52 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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