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Stay of Soledad cross removal extended (to allow for potential review by SCOTUS as needed)
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 7/7/06 | Greg Moran

Posted on 07/07/2006 8:03:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
"sorry for not replying earlier,.."

No problem at all. I wasn't around most of today. What is sticking in my mind about "tradition" and court decisions has to do with another decision not specifically (yet anyway) applied to the Mt. Soledad case. I'll see if I can try to find what it is I'm thinking about about so my question can be clarified.

21 posted on 07/07/2006 10:43:43 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Those homosexuals out there hate looking at that cross because it reminds them how sinful they are.


22 posted on 07/07/2006 11:12:52 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: TheCrusader; All
"Cross proponents"? Is this some new media/leftist word for CHRISTIANS?

Don't be so small minded. The chairmen of the "Save the Cross" effort which got Prop A on the ballot and passed are practicing Jews (Phil Thalheimer & Myke Shelby). There are other faiths represented as well including, I think, an atheist.

23 posted on 07/07/2006 11:26:15 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Support Arnold-McClintock or embrace higher taxes with Angelides.)
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To: garylmoore
Those homosexuals out there hate looking at that cross because it reminds them how sinful they are.

Uh... homosexuals? Since when is atheist Phil Paulson a homosexual?

24 posted on 07/07/2006 11:33:29 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Support Arnold-McClintock or embrace higher taxes with Angelides.)
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To: NormsRevenge; All
Let's remember that Judge Thompson had *approved* of the sale of the land by the city, the 9th circus overruled his decision.
25 posted on 07/07/2006 11:34:48 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Support Arnold-McClintock or embrace higher taxes with Angelides.)
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To: TheCrusader
"Cross proponents"? Is this some new media/leftist word for CHRISTIANS?

No, it's not. It's not even a left/right argument. The cross wasn't put up by a government entity as a way of saying, this is a Christian Nation. This cross was dedicated as a memorial to Korean War veterans. It has a legitimate historical purpose and there are many non-Christians who support keeping it right where it is.

It should be noted that his country has survived because of the sacrifices of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Wiccans, Atheists, Agnostics, etc... It has survived because we are an inclusive country that doesn't punish people for failing to toe a specific religious or idological line.

26 posted on 07/08/2006 12:00:24 AM PDT by jess35
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To: newzjunkey

Those homosexuals out there hate looking at that cross because it reminds them how sinful they are.
Uh... homosexuals? Since when is atheist Phil Paulson a homosexual?

Where did I say that? I was just making a statement as to why some people don't like looking at the cross.


27 posted on 07/08/2006 12:01:29 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but how much have the endless lawsuits, legal challenges, and running of a ballot initiative on this issue cost San Diego taxpayers?

I would think that it would be cheaper to simply sell the site to a private party (say the VOFW) and be done with it. Even if the site was sold at a public auction, it would probably have taken less effort to run a fundraising drive than all this. And keep in mind that so long as this is kept in the courts, the opposition isn't being forced to put it's money where it's mouth is.


28 posted on 07/08/2006 6:19:20 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: TheCrusader

I think the two factors that are now favorable are Alito and Roberts


29 posted on 07/08/2006 7:35:15 AM PDT by pangaea6
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To: RKBA Democrat
I think the city tried to do that last year but the boobs on the other side went back to court claiming the city was not acting in good faith. The sale was reversed or canceled.
I agree with you its about money-- The ACLU wanting their pound of flesh from the taxpayers.
30 posted on 07/08/2006 8:10:02 AM PDT by a02001
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To: DoughtyOne

double good with a cherry on top


31 posted on 07/08/2006 8:20:42 AM PDT by dubyawhoiluv
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To: RKBA Democrat

I hate to rain on anyone's parade here, but how much have the endless lawsuits, legal challenges, and running of a ballot initiative on this issue cost San Diego taxpayers?

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They have cost a lot to be sure but let me toss the inverse back at you.

How much does it cost us if we don't have the parade if you get my drift?

In this case regardless where the case is in the courts, the opposition ought to just keep their mouths shut, they've already done enough harm as is. jmo


32 posted on 07/08/2006 8:24:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi --- Help the "Pendleton 8' and families -- http://www.freerepublic.com/~normsrevenge/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Why is everyone praising Kennedy? He should have simply dismissed the original court ruling on the basis of its violation of both the 1st and 10th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. No Federal Court has ANY jurisdiction WHATSOEVER over how a state or municipality deals with the issue of religion. The Constitution grants the Courts jurisdiction solely over the actions of Congress with respect to religion. The 10th Amendment protects the States and, by extension, municipalities from the intrusive arm of the Federal courts on this and dozens of other issues.

The Mayor of San Diego should long ago have announced that the court's ruling was unconstitutional, that he was officially nullifying it, and would pay no fines that the court ordered. I don't understand how we as a nation has stooped so low, and to unquestioningly cede so much power to the Judiciary that it has not been given by our Constitution.

33 posted on 07/08/2006 8:38:34 AM PDT by montag813
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To: NormsRevenge

It's not a cross. Some people just build giant lower case "t's"


34 posted on 07/08/2006 2:36:50 PM PDT by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: rfreedom4u

"giant t's"

Which sort of reminds me of one other proposal, namely that the cross be set up so that it recognizes religions in proportion to the local population's membership in each. We'd mount the 'wings' on hinges, then lower them for a portion of the day that was equal to the percentage of local residents offended by a cross. We figured the lowering would be from 3:12 to 3:14 each morning.


35 posted on 07/08/2006 3:00:58 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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To: jess35
"It should be noted that his country has survived because of the sacrifices of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Wiccans, Atheists, Agnostics,"

Yeah, America would have been wasted long ago without all the blood spilled by Jews, Buddhists, Wiccans, Atheists and Agnostics. hah
Not that I don't appreciate what any of them may have done for our country, but this was, and still is, predominently a Christian nation. It's most of the others you mentioned that are flushing our nation down the toilet into a cesspool of moral decadence.

36 posted on 07/08/2006 4:23:49 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: NormsRevenge

I really think we need to start a big push to remove idiot judges like this. How many millions of dollars has this ridiculous lawsuit cost? How did it ever get this far?

This bozo is actually a Nixon appointee. He has evidently been handing down bad decisions for an entire lifetime. I hate to think how many other stupid things he has accomplished over his 36 year career on the bench.




Thompson, Gordon Jr.
Born 1929 in San Diego, CA

Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U. S. District Court, Southern District of California
Nominated by Richard M. Nixon on October 7, 1970, to a new seat created by 84 Stat. 294; Confirmed by the Senate on October 13, 1970, and received commission on October 16, 1970. Served as chief judge, 1984-1991. Assumed senior status on December 28, 1994.

Education:
University of Southern California, B.S., 1951

Southwestern University School of Law, LL.B., 1956

Professional Career:
Deputy district attorney, County of San Diego, California, 1957-1960
Private practice, San Diego, California, 1960-1970

Race or Ethnicity: White

Gender: Male


37 posted on 07/11/2006 1:56:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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