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Sun to sink in the west?
ComputerWorld ^
| 06 July 2006
| Manek Dubash
Posted on 07/06/2006 8:21:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:21:36 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
To: rdb3; chance33_98; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Bush2000; PenguinWry; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; ...
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:21:53 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: ShadowAce
Well Scott, is now the time to short MSFT?
To: ShadowAce
As prominent as Java is becoming, Sun will have to continue in some form to support the huge code base that exists out in the real world. I just hope they don't dissolve before I get my certification!
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:35:12 AM PDT
by
IronJack
To: ShadowAce
Can someone tell me in simple terms what JAVA is and what it does. (I don't mean the Java I'm drinking)...
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:39:09 AM PDT
by
tubebender
(Some minds are like concrete, thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.)
To: tubebender
It's basically just another computer programming language. It's big advantage is that it can run on multiple platforms, so the programmer just has to write the code once, and it can run on Windows, SPARC, Linux, and Apple, for example.
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:40:54 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: IronJack
As prominent as Java is becoming, Sun will have to continue in some form to support the huge code base that exists out in the real world.Sun can die, but Java can't. Don't worry about that.
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:41:33 AM PDT
by
Physicist
To: ShadowAce
Sun used to have a US$7 billion cash pile but this year's accounts will show a sizeable dent as a result of the US$4.1 billion acquisition of StorageTek which it completed last SeptemberIt lost US$11 million in 2005.
It's hard to see how they could be in any near term trouble with numbers like these. With several billion in the bank, they post annual loses like last years for several hundred years.
To: ShadowAce
Well, Sun always has been expensive and proprietary. With every computer manufacturer and his brother producing inexpensive servers and ever cheaper off-the-shelf technology that will do anything you need, Sun had to slip.
If they would have paid more attention to the consumer market, and pushed Linux, both might have made some inroads into the market in a big way.
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:44:32 AM PDT
by
auntyfemenist
(Card carrying conservative, William F. Buckley fan.)
To: Physicist
Sun can die, but Java can't. Don't worry about that. Besides there's always Ruby on Rails which might leave Java in the dust anyway.
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:44:46 AM PDT
by
bkepley
To: ShadowAce
Sun needs to get back to making the best mid to high tier hardware in the industry thats what got them where they were. Their high end stuff was considerably less costly than IBM's RISK offerings but that is no longer the case. I have had more trouble with the little bit of Sun and Sun re-branded equipment in my shop over the past three years than I did with the hundreds of sun servers I was running at a previous company from the late 90's to 2003.
The easy days of competing mainly against IBM are over, now they compete with MS, HP, IBM, RedHat, and Novell (And down the line maybe Apple) All of whom are serious players in the server market. I really hope they turn it around...
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:46:19 AM PDT
by
N3WBI3
("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
To: AmericaUnited
Amu,
Would you invest in a company losing money year after year? More importantly would you build an infrastructure around a company which is losing money year after year. in 2000 my server farm was *all* Sun servers (about 150 Servers) the 180 I run now are a mix of Windows / Linux with just a few Sun..
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:48:39 AM PDT
by
N3WBI3
("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
To: ShadowAce
That's a shame - when I was in college in the early '90s, Sun was the company to work for if you were doing a CS degree. Employees used to post about how exciting it was to work there.
To: AmericaUnited
If their losses are 0.1% of revenue, they should be able to do something to get in the black.
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posted on
07/06/2006 8:54:41 AM PDT
by
Still Thinking
(Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
To: N3WBI3
I agree with you, I'm just making the point that they could go quite a while before really being in "distress".
To: AmericaUnited
I don't think so because as their reputation gets hurt fewer people will invest and fewer will buy their equipment this will lead to an accelerated loss of revenue..
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posted on
07/06/2006 9:07:27 AM PDT
by
N3WBI3
("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
To: Physicist
Sun can die, but Java can't.Sun IS Java. They're the power behind J2EE, the JDK, the whole JRE. If they go, who maintains that stuff, not to mention enhancing it for the future?
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posted on
07/06/2006 9:22:07 AM PDT
by
IronJack
To: IronJack
If they go, who maintains that stuff, not to mention enhancing it for the future? There's been talk about Open-Sourcing Java by Sun.
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posted on
07/06/2006 9:30:13 AM PDT
by
ShadowAce
(Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
To: ShadowAce
What a ridiculous article, Sun may have lost some revenue to the foreign copy of Unix called Linux, but they're not about to go under. Their revenue is still over $10 billion (with a "B") per year. Add all the revenue up from every Linux company on Earth and it's not even $1 billion, nor will it be anytime soon. To put it in perspective, the largest Linux company by far Red Hat is only bringing in about $200 million a year, making Sun 50 times bigger in revenue, and much more diversified. Not to mention Sun has more cash on hand than Red Hat's entire market cap value! That means they could buy the whole company today, by simply writing a check. And the way RH shares are tumbling in value right now, that's not going to change anytime soon.
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posted on
07/06/2006 9:47:14 AM PDT
by
Golden Eagle
(Buy American. While you still can.)
To: Golden Eagle
What a ridiculous article, Sun may have lost some revenue, but they're not about to go under. Lets hope not, still it seems as though you're putting your head in the sand any company with nearly a negative 8% ROE is in trouble. They can have all the revenue they want but in the end if it cost more than a buck to get a dollar in the door there are serious problems..
Add all the revenue up from every Linux company on Earth and it's not even $1 billion
IBM alone sells more than 2 Billion in Linux Servers every year! and thats not even counting their Linux service and support side of the table..
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posted on
07/06/2006 9:57:12 AM PDT
by
N3WBI3
("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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