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Sun to sink in the west?
ComputerWorld ^ | 06 July 2006 | Manek Dubash

Posted on 07/06/2006 8:21:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: N3WBI3

The foreign clone Linux has stolen lots of business from US businesses like Sun, who has laid off thousands of engineers, while the Linux mob cheered.

Sun did what few expected though, and released their Solaris O/S under a (non-GPL) open source license, which has seriously slowed Linux's momentum.

While it's unfortunate they had to open up their intellectial property to the rest of the world, and did considerably lower their future earnings as they would have existed sans Linux, it did pretty much guarantee Sun wouldn't be completely destroyed by the foreign clone.

So while Sun's future is nowhere as bright as it would have been, they did counter the Linux threat without having to GPL their code or open source the the final shipping product. Kudos to them, and best wishes to other US companies combatting foreign clones like Linux.


41 posted on 07/06/2006 11:06:53 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: ShadowAce

BTW, if you follow the sun when it sets to see where it went and keep walking, it will dawn on you.


42 posted on 07/06/2006 11:08:17 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Golden Eagle

So all those prior statements of yours implying if sun falls it will be mainly because of Linux are incorrect?


43 posted on 07/06/2006 11:11:47 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: IronJack
Does Sun actually OWN Java?

Yes, they do. If you want to make a Java interpreter, it had better be with Sun's blessing, and they will enforce strict compatibility. Sun brought Microsoft to heel over that issue.

The fact that you can read Sun's code doesn't affect Sun's ownership.

44 posted on 07/06/2006 11:12:20 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: TChris

The question was asked by someone not quite so versed in the nuances.


45 posted on 07/06/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: N3WBI3

IF Sun falls it will be because of Linux, which has already devistated if not destroyed other US companies like SCO, Silicon Graphics, and Cray. Sun is simply too large and diversified, and Apple has diversified itself the last couple of years as well. They are still being damaged by Linux, but probably won't be completely destroyed thankfully. Too bad for the foreigner behind Linux, Linus Torvalds, who has always claimed his ultimate goal is "total world domination".


46 posted on 07/06/2006 11:23:19 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle

how do "IF Sun falls it will be because of Linux" and "I was simply showing how miniscule these Linux companies are when compared to Sun, since the article infers they will lead to their downfall, when in reality Sun could buy any of them with the stroke of the pen." live in the same thread?


47 posted on 07/06/2006 11:27:41 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

Cognitive dissonance


48 posted on 07/06/2006 11:32:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Golden Eagle
and according to the latest Gartner report (May 2006) Sun's server revenue rose while IBM's fell.

I guess you didn't notice the past tense.

49 posted on 07/06/2006 11:38:56 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Golden Eagle
Add all the revenue up from every Linux company on Earth and it's not even $1 billion, nor will it be anytime soon.

IBM's Linux-related sales alone (not counting the rest of the company). Red hat alone is looking at $300 million for this year (and they don't add hardware sales like Sun). And don't forget, Sun ships Linux too.

50 posted on 07/06/2006 11:43:21 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3

Obviously I don't think Sun will fail, they suffered huge losses as Linux devestated many of the US Unix businesses, but it's momemtum has slowed and the latest server sales reports showed Sun's revenue rising, as I already indicated.


51 posted on 07/06/2006 11:45:18 AM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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What are you john Kerry? You were saying that Linux was not a huge factor before you said it was a huge factor?
52 posted on 07/06/2006 11:49:41 AM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3; Golden Eagle
I loved these classics:

Linux was created by a foreigner so that he wouldn't have to pay the US software companies for our products.

Linux was created by a foreigner so that he wouldn't have to pay for an OS written by another foreigner.

Silicon Graphics, Cray, SCO,

And of course forgetting that 1) SGI and Cray died because of hardware (blame Intel and AMD), and 2) SCO started as a poorly-managed Linux company that bought the UNIX business only to get good distribution channels for Linux.

53 posted on 07/06/2006 11:50:32 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: N3WBI3

How could I be John Kerry, when the severs for John Kerry and the DNC all run on Linux? No, I'm much more of a RNC kind of guy, that likes to expose the left. Look at this thread, for example, from your buddy that just showed up.

Democrats ahead of Republicans on Open Source?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1016247/posts

You might note he made that title up.


54 posted on 07/06/2006 12:03:07 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: Golden Eagle
How could I be John Kerry

Simple, you make contradicting statements in the same conversation and try to justify it..

55 posted on 07/06/2006 12:13:29 PM PDT by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: N3WBI3

I haven't contradicted anything. Linux is obviously damaging Sun but isn't going to destroy it like it has others, whether you guys keep posting threads like this or not.


56 posted on 07/06/2006 12:32:43 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: ShadowAce

That was a total troll and I'm suprized you are the only one who bit :)


57 posted on 07/06/2006 12:51:55 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: PissAndVinegar

LOL! I kinda thought that. I figure that if GE hadn't shown up, others would've bit as well.


58 posted on 07/06/2006 12:56:04 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: bkepley
Besides there's always Ruby on Rails which might leave Java in the dust anyway.

Python+Django>Rails. But they're all good; I'm pleased to see high level dynamic languages gaining momentum.

59 posted on 07/06/2006 1:00:03 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: IronJack

Sun is in the process of open sourcing Java. Eventually, it will be an open project, which should ensure its survival.


60 posted on 07/06/2006 1:03:11 PM PDT by MediaMole
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