Posted on 07/06/2006 8:21:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce
I remember all the shots that McNealy used to take at Microsoft. Who's laughing now?
If they go under, which seems unlikely, Java will just be sold off to a wealthy company to compensate investors. Could be some burdensome shake-ups in restructuring, but the language department won't go extinct for some time.
LOL. FYI it's called "RISC", and according to the latest Gartner report (May 2006) Sun's server revenue rose while IBM's fell.
add Dell. They are the largest Linux server share, after IBM, I believe. HP is in there too.
IBM isn't a Linux company, most of the Linux servers they sell come with Red Hat, which Sun could buy by writing a check.
typo, thanks for the correction...
Trying to re-frame the debate here? any company which offers anything other than Linux cant be counted? why count Sun they sell everything from Office Suites, to Directory Servers, to Operating Systems (including Linux and Unix), to hardware, to Support.. sound a bit like IBM now?
I was only pointing out IBM's *Linux server sales* not any other aspect of their business your statement implied that there is not a Billion in revenue selling Linux servers out there when clearly that is incorrect. You could have said, well gee I did not think of IBM, still 2 Billion is less than SUN and you would have been right without looking like a weasel..
Java really has two parts:
1. Java the language is the successor to the popular programming language C++. It provides the benefits of object-oriented programming without the legacy-related flaws C++ inherited from C.
2. Java the virtual machine is a way to make programs written in Java (the language) run on practically any computer. It lets programmers write programs without having to worry about whether it will run on a PC, Mac, Sun, Windows, Linux, QNix, or other common (or uncommon) computers or operating systems.
The two are deeply intertwined.
Whoever buys it from Sun's shareholders. What do you think Microsoft (or IBM, or HP, or Hitachi, or Nokia, or...) would be willing to pay to steer Java (and its huge programming community) in exactly the direction they want it to go?
Prediction: if Sun really gets into trouble, it will avoid bankruptcy by selling off its Java division.
I was simply showing how miniscule these Linux companies are when compared to Sun, since the article infers they will lead to their downfall, when in reality Sun could buy any of them with the stroke of the pen. If all you can do in response is call names, maybe you're better suited on one if the typical Linux sites than this one.
So communism beats capitalism?
How is that communism?
The Innovator's Dilema is a book they decided NOT to read. Every executive from middle manager to CEO to shareholder should read it.
But there must be some pretty substantial code in the javac and JRE to make the language platform independent. I guess maybe that's what Sun "owns."
Java sucks a lot.
.NET is cool tho.
Ken Lay is still dead.
I think Sun's real problem is making the argument that their hardware is a good value. They used to have such a performance advantage that the pricing made sense. Now, I'm not so sure.
Umm... Not really. Apples and oranges here.
The Java run-time layer is written in C/C++. You just can't do things with Java that you can with C/C++. Yes, the syntax is similar, but the actual scope and power of the languages is not.
"languages" = "language"
The article infers what? The article talks about high end competition from IBM and low end from Linux. You, on the other hand have made a career on free republic saying that Linux is the driving force behind UNIX market share losses. Here are just a few samples..
Linux was created by a foreigner so that he wouldn't have to pay the US software companies for our products. And many years later it is now stealing market share from US products it originally attempted to clone. -- Golden Eagle
SCO, they may be headed to bankruptcy. Just like SGI, and several others before open source has finished scavaging the rest of the old Unix vendors. -- Golden Eagle
[OSS Makes Money] Only at the expense of our traditional software companies, who lose a lot more than the open source cloners ever make up with their freeware fakes. -- Golden Eagle
It's already eaten through much of the fat profits of the Unix companies, and left them suing one another over where all the money went. Silicon Graphics, Cray, SCO, all shadows of their former selves, and IBM and Sun laying off tens of thousands the last couple of years. -- Golden Eagle
If the remaining Unix stalwarts Solaris and OSX get consumed by Linux, there won't be much of anything seperate from Microsoft's influence. -- Golden Eagle
As Linux grows in strength due to user growth primarily outside the U.S., those companies are now suffering as they are being pushed into a "service only" income model instead of their previous "sales and service" income model. -- Golden Eagle
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