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Risky Bet on Immigration: House GOP leaders' stall could backfire
Dallas Morning News ^ | 6/22/2006 | Editorial

Posted on 06/22/2006 8:05:20 AM PDT by sinkspur

The Republicans running the House may not be as smart as they think they are.

They may have misread the public mood, which prompted them to press GOP Speaker Dennis Hastert to put off immigration negotiations with the Senate until September.

They also may have misread some in their very own party.

A poll being released today by the conservative Manhattan Institute and conducted by the Republican Tarrance Group shows most of the 800 likely GOP voters questioned want a solution now, even one that deals with the 12 million illegal immigrants here. Some of those surveyed even will accept a plan they consider amnesty.

Those views are much more in line with the legislation the Senate has put on the negotiating table. That bill, which passed with Republican and Democratic votes, adds agents to the border, offers many illegal immigrants a chance to earn citizenship and creates a guest worker program for future foreign workers.

The Senate plan doesn't focus on a wall, like the House bill, nor does it call for deporting illegal immigrants.

But Mr. Hastert has ignored these voices and gone with his party's most vocal immigration opponents. It's no coincidence that the fall elections are fast approaching.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnestypimps; congress; deportem; gop; hr4437; immigrantlist; immigration; openborderslobby; sealthebordernow; shamnesty; ushouse
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To: jmc813
What is your take on Mike Pence's compromise?

You mean the same "compromise" that's based on Tancredo's 2003 "compromise?"

101 posted on 06/22/2006 12:03:53 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: VOA

The Manhattan Institute ran with a poll they did last March and suprisingly came up with similar results. Don't these open border hacks always do? The Wall St. Journal and Cato Institute are no different.


102 posted on 06/22/2006 12:06:42 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You mean the same "compromise" that's based on Tancredo's 2003 "compromise?"

It's not quite as hard-line as Tancredo's, but still acceptable to me.

103 posted on 06/22/2006 12:06:48 PM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: taxed2death
and you're just fine with the "pathway to citizenship" left in there for illegals.

What's stopping foreigners from standing in line awaiting citizenship without going through the guest-worker rigoramore? What's the difference?

Pence's "path to citizenship" is the same procedure used by the USCIS.

104 posted on 06/22/2006 12:07:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: jmc813

The only difference between Pence and Tancredo's plans are the length of the guest-worker stay. Everything else is identical.


105 posted on 06/22/2006 12:09:09 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: jmc813
It's not quite as hard-line as Tancredo's, but still acceptable to me.

No, it's not hard-line at all. For the first three years there are no caps or visa limits. So if businesses want to bring in 500 million "guests" and their families to flood the labor market to the Atlantic ocean saturation point that's hunky dory with Mike.

106 posted on 06/22/2006 12:10:32 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: TheZMan

I looked at the source and discounted most of the article from there on. Dallas County has one of the largest hispanic populations in the country and this paper is one of the biggest supporters of amnesty.


107 posted on 06/22/2006 12:19:19 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Actually, it's not...it's SHORTER than for those whose families / relatives are CURRENTLY applying legally for US citizenship. There's a FReeper around here who's step daughter has been going through hell for YEARS to come here legally. The FReeper married a lady from Russia.


By the way...can you give one compelling reason WHY any of these illegals should be granted the privilege of US citizenship?

Doesn't the thought of 20 or 30 million instant Dum-o-crats put a Hershey stain in your undies?
108 posted on 06/22/2006 12:19:44 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Pence's "path to citizenship" is the same procedure used by the USCIS."



No it is not. It extends to illegals.


109 posted on 06/22/2006 12:21:08 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: ncountylee
I heard, on FOX, yesterday that one reason the Senate went so gung ho with their bill is the idiots misread the marches for illegal immigration/amnesty and the lack of people like us out there counter-protesting as meaning we were in favor of amnesty... that they were stunned at Bilbray's showing in San Diego (once he rejected McCain over the immigration bill, and came out firmly in favor of stoping this madness), The Bilbray outcome set many back on their heels.

I heard a suggestion yesterday that perhaps our senators and congressmen should actually return to their elected states, hold town halls, and really listen to their constituents for a change. Of course, when it comes to McCain, those town halls are usually stacked and it's difficult to get in or to ask serious questions, because Mr. McCain doesn't like people to disagree with him.

110 posted on 06/22/2006 12:24:24 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Bikers4Bush
Yes people want a solution to immigration.

A solution like the damn government enforcing current laws would help.

Yes, most people understand that we need a WORKABLE guest worker program but not the Senate Shanesty bill S2611.

When will these idiots in the media and yes the Dallas Morning News is in that group understand that the average Joe voter (me) is tired of being manipulated by the MSM and arrogant elitists politicians.
111 posted on 06/22/2006 12:26:33 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (2008 Democrat Motto: A Dixie Chick on pot, a Chinese bicycle in your garage and a Mexican maid)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

If the House holds hearings, they should pick the states where Republican Senators voted for amnesty. Might surprise some of them.


112 posted on 06/22/2006 12:33:05 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ichabod1

The owners of DMN are probably just PO'd because that means sales of their "El Dia" paper will stay flat for a while.


113 posted on 06/22/2006 1:00:10 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: taxed2death

IMO if they get millions more legalized the day won't be too far off where the hispanic leaders will do everything possible to create a new third party.....the name will most likely be a takeoff on La Raza.....and why not?.....they have THEIR own community, their own media, etc. plus all the help they need from the Mexican fedgov plus their own useful idiots in our fedgov and Congress.


114 posted on 06/22/2006 1:05:01 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: ncountylee

Like start right here in Arizona -- or how about Tennessee where an illegal who had 11 drunk driving convictions just hit a couple head on (while he was drunk) and killed them... the first state to say we should give drivers' licenses to illegals and all those judges who let him go because they didn't want to deal with his illegal status. Wonder how Frist feels about that!


115 posted on 06/22/2006 1:22:06 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: VOA
Tammar Jacoby
116 posted on 06/22/2006 1:28:18 PM PDT by mthom
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To: sinkspur
Dallas Morning News ^ | 6/22/2006 | Editorial

"The End."

117 posted on 06/22/2006 1:31:38 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: taxed2death

You make some good points in your post. But in the end, greed wins out. It costs nothing for Messssico to just ship their social problems up north.
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As I mentioned, Mexico's ruling class is too preditory for their own good. In order to make that country a world class country the USA would have to force change there. The way to force change there is to send 12 million americanized mexicans back to mexico.

think they'll put up with the old ways of their rulers?

I don't.


118 posted on 06/22/2006 3:26:51 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: edcoil
As our Rep. Tancredo said...no bill is better than a compromise bill.

IMO, this doesn't hurt them at all.

The wusses in the Senate for amnesty are those who will be hurt, IMO.

119 posted on 06/22/2006 3:38:42 PM PDT by moondoggie
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Its funny hopw many go along get along "conservatives" there are. Anyone who says they can convince conservatives that the plan Bush supports is good after 5 minuites is a grade A LIAR.


120 posted on 06/22/2006 3:59:36 PM PDT by RFT1
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